|Another point, I'm deeply uncomfortable with threads determined by binary gender. And I'm deeply glad that no-one appears to mind that I'm posting here.|
Thing is, these threads make me deeply uncomfortable partly because I don't feel I identify as strongly as female as the thread seems to demand, nor do I wish to, but neither do I identify as male. Put simply, I don't id very much with the categories, and the way they work.
I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only person in this situation, nor even the most fluid/unplaceable example.
Id entity's wonderful post captures the worth of these threads, especially the WI'd one (Its notable that in both threads, particpants are questioning their worth/workability/. This is a very good thing):
The way I see it, if it's true that non-female-identified posters tend to dominate discussion around here, and it is, and if it's true that discussion of feminism and sexism on barbelith in particular tends to be derailed by people who just don't get the core concepts, and it is, then it's valuable to have a thread where that sort of derailing will be limited.
Id's delineation of the worth ot these threads is the most convincing one I've heard thus, and I'll requote the corresponding description of this thread, with which I heartily agree. If these threads are going to exist at all, this, I'd say, should be the working behind them:
If this thread serves the purpose of giving us a chance to practice our allyship skills, then it will do good; if it ends up pulling the discussion in the WFB thread off track, that will be bad. If it becomes a forum wherein the lot of us are sitting around complaining about how hard-done-by we all are because womenfolk are taking our jobs and our children and being counseled by scheming lawyers to lie about being abused in order to get attention and to add insult to injury now they won't let us in their thread, then we should shut down barbelith as a lost cause. But I don't think there's actually a lot of danger of that so long as we keep challenging ourselves.
Ie, the threads themselves do not inherently encourage adversial/'versus' thinking, it's the way in which they are used that can do this. And is doing.
The problem being that since these threads and the ongonig discussions emerged out of a highlighting of widespread and pretty simply-delineated mysogyny in our culture, (our being Bsrbelith and our other spaces) it's difficult to immediately mount a pluralist, for want of a better word, Queer, response to it.
That's assuming that people want such a response.