|Ganesh, logically that aint a great post because G for Gundetta is male and unless he's started identifying as female ("no") it would be a little odd if he did support the idea that this is a girls vs. boys issue.|
I'm not arguing the 'greatness' of any of my posts, Nina, but logically, it's a perfectly reasonable question to ask: why did Flyboy feel the need to say "female posters" instead of "other posters"? Why did he make that distinction? Enquiring minds are keen to know.
In addition you were asking a group of female identified posters to collate a vast amount of material for you- me, Celane and mordant so his comment wasn't at all inaccurate.
Just somewhat unnecessary. I don't think I said "could female posters summarise this for me"; I said
it would be helpful for one of those making the suggestion (Nina? Mordant?) to build a case, perhaps in another thread
The pertinent element here is "one of those making the suggestion" ie. one of those suggesting that ShadowSax be banned - not the fact that Nina and Mordant are female-identified. I can't see why Flyboy chose to emphase "female posters" other than to imply that I - a male-identified poster - was unfairly calling upon female-identified posters to "do the work" for me.
And yes, it is a lot of work to summarise the reasons for wanting someone excluded from the board but, frankly, it fucking should be. I don't think it's workshy or unfair or any variety of 'ist' to ask that members wanting someone banned lay out their reasons in a separate thread, and invite the community as a whole to comment.
Flowers apologised for his phrasing stating that the discussion here was around whether a tipping point had been reached, more an explanation of incorrect wording than the original intent to post on gender division and unless we're choosing to ignore people's explanations it's something to take on board.
Yes, Flowers apologised for wording which implied a gender dichotomy, and I appreciate his apology. I don't recall not taking the tipping point issue on board; in fact, I acknowledged it myself a post or two afterwards.
So no one is trying to make this into a girls vs boys issue, indeed that isn't happening at all
I'm afraid I don't agree. I think both Flyboy and Flowers emphasised a gender dichotomy here. I think they were wrong or misguided in doing so, and it may have been accidental, but I don't think pretending it didn't happen is the way to proceed.
but it is weighing on everyone's minds because ShadowSax's posts consistently support a girls vs boys mindset and that's part of what we're discussing here. I think that's why you're fixating on this so readily and that's the idea that you should be exploring.
Again, I disagree. ShadowSax's gender issues are not the reason I claim Flyboy and Flowers disproportionately stressed gender difference with their choice of wording, and I rather resent your implication that I'm "fixating on this". I am not "fixating"; Flyboy and Flowers' posts suggested that women were complaining about ShadowSax while men were apologising, "justifying" or failing to "do the work" where ShadowSax's posts were concerned. I am not the only person who thought this, and I'd appreciate you not telling me what I "should be exploring".
In addition two people have volunteered to create this banning thread so why don't you just wait for someone to have the time and willpower to make it appear.
I am waiting for GGM and Flyboy to make the case for banning ShadowSax. I have expressed my gratitude in advance. This does not, however, invalidate the other points I have made in this post.