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More Goetia Questions

 
 
HAMMER
07:00 / 23.07.01
Is it possible for me to buy one of those matts with the circles and everything drawn on it, or do I gotta make a fresh one on my basement floor with chalk everytime I plan on using it?
 
 
Wyrd
16:43 / 23.07.01
quote:Originally posted by DJ Oi:
Is it possible for me to buy one of those matts with the circles and everything drawn on it, or do I gotta make a fresh one on my basement floor with chalk everytime I plan on using it?


You're going to trust some mass-producing company to get it right? Perhaps the Goetia themselves have been getting them to churn out faulty circles for years, so that they have an easy supply of victims?
 
 
El Directo
17:20 / 23.07.01
quote: Perhaps the Goetia themselves have been getting them to churn out faulty circles for years, so that they have an easy supply of victims?

I hear Ikea have the contract.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
00:58 / 03.10.05
I'm bumping this thread to ask if anyone has any experience with the chalking stuff on your basement floor line. Not just for Goetia, but for drawing out circles and patterns generally.
 
 
DRR... DRR... DRR...
01:32 / 03.10.05
What kind of floor have you got?
 
 
Unconditional Love
02:02 / 03.10.05
I have on a tiled floor, a circle, used for rituals and bagua, not at present thou i am using a mat. green or red chalk usually, but i warn you it ends up walked all round the rest of the flat.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
03:41 / 03.10.05
Make your own—best way to do it is buy large pieces of canvas (like a drop-cloth used for catching paint spills in house painting), cut to size and paint the stuff on them for easy portability. Ask somebody at a paint store all the details and paints to get before you do it. Doesn't take too long to do and puts you in quite a headspace while you're working, too.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
03:45 / 03.10.05
I'll 2nd BoiS on this one. Making your own, in my mind, is part of the mojo anyway. It's your space, your turf.
 
 
DRR... DRR... DRR...
03:59 / 03.10.05
Making your own kit always rocks, whatever you're messing with.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
11:22 / 03.10.05
Aye. I've got all sorts of floors: wood, carpets. I'm just thinking about ways of setting off a space for the funky stuff to happen in.

Any ideas on scaling up diagrams and drawings? Keeping circles circular?
 
 
DRR... DRR... DRR...
12:31 / 03.10.05
Well, a circular circle is easy. Nail, pencil/pen, bit of string about the radius of your desired circle. Tie one and of the string to your pencil, the other to the nail, and bingo: you've got a compass.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
12:37 / 03.10.05
A "Complete Temple Outfit" can be yours for a mere £367.97
 
 
Unconditional Love
12:38 / 03.10.05
Another way on a tiled floor is to use the tile corners and mark out a circle by counting tiles, say three apart and sticking on it, circumference of circle, from the centre.

Its the bagua that walks it everywhere.
 
 
DRR... DRR... DRR...
12:47 / 03.10.05
£367.97? Dayum. I'll say this for filthy witchcraft, it's a heck of a lot lighter on the pocket...
 
 
Unconditional Love
14:15 / 04.10.05
Babylonian Demon Bowls
Anybody ever experimented with these?
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
18:11 / 05.10.05
I've been totally fascinated with those since I saw some in the British Museum when I was 18. That really seems like a technique that could do with some exploration, especially with servitors etc...!
 
 
Morpheus
09:16 / 06.10.05
Please don't tell me that you can't figure this out and you are still trying to work with Goetia. Or working at all for that matter. Don't worry about anything...go for it. Go crazy with it.
 
 
DRR... DRR... DRR...
09:29 / 06.10.05
(Oooh, Morph, you're so wise and advanced. Share your secret occult wisdom with all us lesser mortals, do.)

Those are amazing. I don't think I've ever come across them before. I'm fascinated by the idea of using psuedotext on something like that; I wonder what the motivation was behind it? Something simple ("Well, that other chap's bowl has got writing on it, better make mine look like his") or was there a more sophisticated reason, perhaps (eg. passing demons will get so into trying to read the fake text they won't notice being caught in the bowl)?
 
 
Unconditional Love
13:16 / 06.10.05
Perhaps the bowls were filled with water to distort the text, creating a trance effect as the script was trying to be read, i will have to try it, some of them seem to be designed with mandala type motifs.
 
 
DRR... DRR... DRR...
13:19 / 06.10.05
Great. Now you made me have to try that...
 
 
Unconditional Love
13:50 / 06.10.05
Another idea might be that they were filled with food or offerings so the sacrafice empowered the spell or incense to carry the spell to the heavens.

Could be useful with rune work or sigilisation.
 
 
Unconditional Love
13:51 / 06.10.05
now if you used an ink to inscribe the bowls, add water and the water would carry some of the ink, eventually black water, scrying, also the water could be used to empoer objects,people etc with the intent of the writing.
 
 
Quantum
(prev. Quantum - terribly nonplussed)
15:52 / 06.10.05
From the link it seems there's loads you could do- I'm fascinated by the two found with an inscribed eggshell between them.
 
 
Unconditional Love
16:50 / 06.10.05
Lilith Incantation Bowls

Yah ...cut off the king of the demons
...the great ruler of the liliths.
I adjure you ...whether you are male or female,
I adjure you....
Just as the demons write letters of divorce
and give them to their wives and do not again return to them,
so take your letter of divorce,
accept your stipend share [ketubba],
and go and leave and depart from the house....
Amen, Amen, Amen, Selah.
 
 
Unconditional Love
16:55 / 06.10.05
"Within the wide category of protective magic, one local tradition stands out as unique, namely the so-called Babylonian demon bowls. These inscribed earthenware vessels were found in several sites in Iraq and Iran, dating from the 6th to the 8th centuries A.D. and are unknown outside that region. They are normally inscribed in one of three Aramaic dialects -- Jewish-Aramaic, Syriac, and Mandaic -- though some bowls are known which are inscribed in Persian (Pehlevi). The form and direction of the writing varies -- the most common form being spirals, beginning from the bowl's rim and moving toward the center. Some bowls are inscribed on the outside as well as the inside. Moreover, numerous bowls are inscribed in various pseudo-scripts, either because the person who manufactured them was illiterate, or because the text itself was deemed only a secondary component of the bowl, and could be recited orally, or dispensed with altogether. While many bowls show little sign of outside influence, others display the well-known motifs of "international" magic -- common divine names, familiar voces magicae, and symbols such as the ouroboros or the characteres.

Those bowls which are found in situ often are positioned face-down, and in some cases two bowls are found glued together with pitch, the space enclosed between them containing such items as inscribed egg-shells or human skull fragments. From their positioning, and from the images of bound demons which adorn numerous bowls, it would seem that these were demon traps, meant to lure, trap, and disable any malevolent demons, preventing them from hurting humans or causing damage to property. It seems that such traps often were placed in room corners, since the meeting of walls and floor created cracks through which the demons could sneak in -- a fact which is also verified in contemporary literary sources. However, in some cases the bowls' inscriptions reveal them to have been not so much "environmental protection" devices, but rather aggressive instruments aimed at sending the demons upon an enemy's head. Such bowls could be buried in cemeteries -- where ghosts and demons were abundant -- and perhaps also next to the victim's house and property, to enhance their efficacy and accuracy."


Author: * Caileadair Etana
 
 
Unconditional Love
14:51 / 07.10.05
Whats in the magic bowl A lecture from Dan levene (southampton university) on Jewish magic bowls.
 
  
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