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New X-Men #129

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15:51 / 26.07.02

Never disagreed with you big boy. I think there's room in the world, or rather, should I say room in Fantomex for both angles. Sure, we've seen this guy before, he sure as shit has shades of King Mob about him, and seeing as Prometheus was just King Mob in a DC suit, well... the guy does like to steal big stuff, don't he?

Personally, I don't understand why the Runce and the Oignon's positions can't coexist or for that matter combine.

On the subject of 'ol Billy. As a strong believer in intuitive and chaotic thinking I only ever invoke Ockham as a plee to let a text breath - as is. Obviously this is tricky when faced with fictional texts and doublely (sp?) tricky when faced with an incomplete article (unfinshed story arcs spring to mind), but it is often a very useful device when used with care.

Script done. Gone. Hate fucking script.

Till 5 (and I don't mean the old lady) wants to go out. Want to come?

The Natural Way

16:18 / 26.07.02

When the was the last time I brought up Occam (not "Ockham")? I know we look the same, but.....

But, yeah, you see, fecund's right about breathing texts. Sometimes 'lithers suffocate a character/theme under mountains of inference/association. Which is fine and dandy, but I don't give a shit for it unless it actually MEANS SOMETHING. It's all very well going "Oh, he's a bit like him..." or "that's a bit like that" and "I reckon that's Grant's new fiction suit", but, unless it helps us understand a text better, I couldn't give two fucks for it, and it seems a waste of time. (See the Filth thread where people get very confused/imaginative re the name "Ned" [yawn's take accepted]). Whatever....I suppose it's fun, but I'm more interested in discussing where Fantomex fits into the Mutant U than comparing and contrasting his house w/ Prometheus's and debating whether or not they might enjoy the same cheese.

Adam wages war on wack MCs

04:47 / 27.07.02

Oh god. i've created a fucking monster.

13:24 / 27.07.02

you ain't created shit. mike: bromide cheese of nitrate and babynappy, taste like poop. well, considering we're using f-mex as a third column 'i don't shout about it jim' attitude to go with the trad xavier/magneto dialectic then the third option as its being discussed is one we're all familiar with, morrison's rugged, self-determined survivalist, who eventually is usually shown to be a bit deluded or at least underinformed. that's how my position might be used to illuminate the text. alan: couldn't go out last night my big brother came round for a curry.

The Natural Way

14:39 / 27.07.02

Fecund asked you out on a date. Not me. Look! Moles in different places!

And, of course, we must now assume Fec got laid last night, 'cause we all know BB's much more important than a mere beer, eh?

15:06 / 27.07.02

i've moderated. it's amazing

laid? are you making this up?

The Natural Way

16:10 / 27.07.02

Ummm. Yes.

Just want to know what his REALLY INPORTANT REASON was for missing BB. Assuming he did.

16:20 / 27.07.02

Off topic reason 1: went out with Mike and Steve, 'cause Mike's leaving the country soon, dontchaknow.

Off topic reason 2: have hated BB in the last week.

Started at the Mash-Tun, went on to the Blue Parrot, then went and pestered Nathan. Got pissed - although not plastered - and almost went round to the filthiest girl in Brighton's house.

Er... does anyone think Logan could take Fantomex?

14:42 / 28.07.02

What I want to know is, what's up with Fantomex imitating the pose of that statue of Anubis in his flat in the second-to-last panel? This is Grant we're talking about...This has to mean something!

Fantomex as Prof X's evil 'journey into the underworld' spirit guide, perhaps? Or some kind of judge figure, sent to test Charles' conscience and morality?

And - given that the whole issue's about misdirection - am I alone in thinking Jean's stolen the CD from the safe (telekinetically undoing the lock) while Fanty operated on himself, but that she's going to find out that instead of the Weapon Plus data, she's wound up with 'Flutes of the Tibetan Damned'?

19:53 / 28.07.02

gloss, I think it's a bit like Invisibles, the spray can. Some people can get in and get out, no problem, some people need to do it over and over andoverandoverand

Fantomex is a new character people, clearly. Grant made one promise with this book, and that was that we wouldn't need to know pointless years of continuity to understand the thing. Sure, he's similar to other Grant characters, but so is EVERYONE when they're written by Grant. Just like all Warren Ellis characters are hardcore man-of-few-words types, and Garth Ennis characters are all murderers with strong civil values.

I mean, if you really want to get into it, who's the imbicille pope, the diseased buddha playing with itself while Brian Malcolm, antibiotic, tries to repair the abcess in issue 24? Seemed clear enough to me.

I'm more interested in EVA, who I can only imagine is a mutant shaped like a UFO. Also, what are Fantomex's powers? I mean, someone mentioned x-ray vision, but I could tell Jean was wearing a wonderbra, and I don't have that power. Besides being eXtra cool, what can homeboy do?

Oh, and speaking of mindless continuity, I imagine Weapon eleven would be omega red. Remember him? No, me neither. I really like the way all the governments work together for this one though. Was Captian America created to win WWII or to fight the mutant menace? -z

The Natural Way

23:28 / 28.07.02

The Anubis thing could've been as simple as underlining the fact that Fantomex has got his killing groove on. Afterall, Weapon 12 "has to die!" But, maybe there's something else to it. Who knows?

EVA? I tend to think she's just one of the cool things old Fanty's picked up on one of his crime sprees. And now she's his mate. Y'know, one guy and his UFO. But I do like the idea she's a mutant.

00:32 / 29.07.02

I'm going for EVA being part of his mutation, like some once-conjoined now-seperated twin.

Adam wages war on wack MCs

06:11 / 29.07.02

Right now, i like the idea that Xorn and Fantomex=Superman and Batman. Tune in tomorrow for an even crappier theory.

The Natural Way

10:15 / 29.07.02

Well there's definitely resonances there. Xorn's Sun God material.

And I also like the idea that EVA's got something to do w/ his mutation. Whatever that is.

Adam wages war on wack MCs

13:59 / 29.07.02

I guess EVA would be Robin, by my rather poorly thought out theory.

15:39 / 29.07.02

I was wondering if Weapon XI resulted in those United Nations Bannermen from 'Marvel Boy'?

16:46 / 29.07.02

Say, do you suppose he could be Fantome Ten?

The Natural Way

17:04 / 29.07.02

Invix: it seems likely that Marvel Boy was actually the first "Ultimate" comic. S'been hinted at by Mark Millar and Newsarama. Can't find any links right now. So, ummm..."Bannerman, No!"

17:41 / 29.07.02

Oh. Well, if Mark Millar says so. So it's a different 'continuity' type of thing? Sigh.

23:44 / 29.07.02

wasn't the crap guy from x-force wassname - kane? cain? wasn't he like a later product of the weapon x thing? that could make him weapon 11 i spose.

00:35 / 30.07.02

The only thing I like about a pretty dull story: leaving Wolverine out of an arc so central to his character. Nice touch.

00:48 / 30.07.02

I totally dig the idea of FantomX being a sort of spirit guide for Prof. X durring his journey into the underworld.
In that same light (or darkness), wouldn't Jean/Phoenix function as a sort of familuar... or the collective Ka/soul of mutant-kind...
This would make Charles it's intellect.
Consider that the Phoenix is a very Egyptian Archtype... and souls entering the afterlife have been depicted as Human headed Birds.

This could turn weapon 12 into a sort of corrupted version of Toth in that it seems to be a culmination of Human knowledge... corrupted by an "outerchurchesque" prediliction for war!!!

Weapon 12 as SET?
Set is a VERY Jealous GOD, willing to kill his brother Osirus in hopes of winning Isis... who is also often depicted as a Bird.

As I recall The X-force charactor was also clasified as (the New)Weapon-X.
and Omega Red was supposidly the Russian Equivilant.
Weapon X belonging to Canada at the time...

yawn - thing's buddy

11:25 / 30.07.02

i'm lost

The Natural Way

12:56 / 30.07.02

Invix: it's an "Ultimate" type of thing. Get with the program, youngcock! And all this jamming on egyptian themes is confusing me too. Y'know guys, it probably isn't that complicated. But you seem to be having a good time, so carry on.

15:37 / 30.07.02

So wait, there's an 'Ultimate' universe that's different from the 'Marvel' universe? Where the hell have I been? Didn't the Crisis take care of all of that?

21:43 / 30.07.02

The crisis was in the DC universe.

22:20 / 30.07.02

But didn't the 'Secret Wars' take care of that?

OK I'll stop now.

05:14 / 02.09.02

I would think that weapon XI were the Mannites (Nina) from the Zero Tolerance/ Astonishing X Men times.

They were supossed to be humans with a nanomachine x-factor, created by Bastion

01:42 / 03.09.02

Ummm, yes.

I think Morrison actually throws beans out for the acute X-Fan's eye.

Cassandra grew on a sewer wall, right - absorbing properties and suchlike. What do we see her doing in #116 but adopt properties akin to mansion visitors/residents, such as Juggernaut and Kitty (Sprite/Shadowcat?)

This (what Ciarconn said) could also be indirect referencing.

03:03 / 03.09.02

I like LL countA(dam)'s theory of GM using Xorn and Fantomex as new solar and lunar heroic archetypes. Clearer ones (Cyclops always struck me as a solar archetype, but he is not so clear as Xorn)
Perhaps GM is trying to give a more mythological order to the Xmen pantheon

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