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Mordant Carnival
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15:23 / 10.05.08
It's complicated... when you're in the thick of things, witnessing and experiencing stuff that you just cannot explain any other way except by magic, you can feel very certain. Afterwards though the doubt creeps back in. Did I really see what I thought I saw? Feel what I thought I felt? I'm not as eaten up and consumed by doubt the way I once was, but it's still there. The same with results: did I get that job because of the spell, or would I have got it anyhow?

I don't think it's a bad thing though. You have to be open, flexible, capable of riding the wave or euphoria and moving to a place of cool appraisal afterwards when you've got some distance.
 
 
Adam A.
21:58 / 12.05.08
Wish Trolls
 
 
Mordant Carnival
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23:07 / 12.05.08
For some reason I found that inexpressibly hilarious. Maybe it's the sad little emoticon. You wonder why the thought of Wish Trolls makes the poster so melancholy; maybe those berry-munching little moppets have lead hir into horrid depravities unknown to those who have not rubbed their magical acrylic headfuzz?
 
 
M.a.P
12:04 / 14.05.08
Hi everyone, i haven't been posting much (if anything at all) since i registered, because i thought i was only getting in touch with the thing.
When i was thirteen or so i was hanging out with small-town would-be psychonauts. Most of them were mostly interrested in getting as wasted as they possibly could and i couldn't understand, once i had tried a couple things, how they could not find a better use or even better ways of using what i considered at the time the greatest tools for anyone to reach a different state of mind.
I grew up with myths, one the first book i remember picking up in my school's library was a simplified version of Prometheus' story. I was fascinated.
I've always been playing music. I mean, always. And i've always felt that strange things were happening in my head when i was singing, especially when i was singing in front of people. I could get to them, in a really pure way.
When i was fifteen i had a year long relationship with a girl, i experienced the powerful grasp passionate love could have on me and on people in general as well as the revelation of a, let's say, naïve approach to all things sexual. I couldn't understand what was going on at all, time, space, consciousness, everything was different, everything was so intense. I could'nt quite come to term with "reality".
I was not and have never been attracted to so-called New-Age philosophies for several reasons: I had suffered through too many pothead/acid freak late night talks, where everyone was
just drawing convenient conclusions from reading half a chapter of a Castaneda book or planing a trip to Goa that would never be. I had seen new-agey types being ridiculed in the movies and on TV. I was more attracted to the Velvet Underground than to The Doors and i felt that shamanism, Eastern mysticism and magic were not something to take lightly, that there shouldn't be any shortcuts or stereotypes or over-simplification.
So i didn't get into it at all and kept going my own way, working on my voice, breathing, closing my eyes and letting it go. I was turning songs into wishful thinking.
A couple of years ago, a very good friend of mine started to get me into comics (i've always been a bookworm), he kept talking about Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman and Morrison. And then he mentioned magic. And he was careful with words, and he was not taking himself seriously. So there i was. You probably know the rest, as i have been lurking around here for quite sometime: I read The Invisibles, went to Grant Morrison's website, found the "Pop Magic!" article, found Disinfo's Book of Lies, watched the DVD, picked up Condensed Chaos...it seemed so easy! And it was in tune with so many things i had found in Nietzsche's, Debord's or Baudrillard's work! R.A.W has been of great help too.
Then I started playing around, working on a system of my own i still haven't quite figured out, trying to reshape the world according to this great melting pot of ideas i had already read about in many, many non-occult books i.e the act of creation as a magical experience. I tried a couple of sigils with more or less satisfying results (I guess doing the rituals was the most satisfying thing). I know there's more to it, Barbetlith posters demonstrate it everyday.
As i have always "ritualized" my existence, symbols are tools that i'm very keen on. I did a couple of other home-made rituals, like asking my girlfriend to cut my hair and dedicating the whole process to Change, deep-breathing, with the same song on repeat over and over, and feeling very little and humble. It worked. I started having dreams, and i even experienced lucid dreaming once. I'm still learning, i don't want to devote myself to one tradition (even chaos magic!) so i read a lot; for now the path seems right (maybe a little too safe).
And doubt is my best friend.
And i must say you guys at Barbelith have been great lately, seeing the Temple in such good shape is of great help!

Phew! That was a relatively long post, hope it wasn't too much of a pain...
 
 
Mordant Carnival
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11:56 / 16.05.08
Here's a link to an older thread on the same topic.
 
 
intertwine
02:19 / 02.06.08
The chance to broaden my horizons in a way that i couldnt achieve with anything else.

Magick is something huge and beautiful and a bloody wonderful amalgamate of concepts, and having at least nominal knowledge in any one of these fields is equivelant to nothing ive ever know.

it's something new, pure and simple, no matter how much you know.
 
 
Lizard
15:01 / 06.07.08
Wow, all the stories you guys have! So many different bases and origins.

I guess I've been programmed from birth to get into the weird (5am on the fifth of May), and like many people, was born into a Catholic family.

My father brought my sister and I the entire set of "The Enchanted Forest" - each book containing fairy tales or myths, one book full of mermaid tales, the other full of ghost tales (the horror ones were BLACK books... spooky). Anyone have 'em too???

When I was four, the family moved to a big old Edwardian house (used to be a doctor's surgery), complete with servant rooms separate from the house, and there I started to worship Anubis and Aphrodite (death and love - hm!). I encountered my first ghost, The Blue Boy, who my mum thought was an invisible friend of mine.

My father found out about me worshipping Anubis and Aphrodite from the Enchanted Forest's Gods and Goddesses volume, along with The Almighty God, and sat me down to tell me that the latter two were not 'real'. I asked him, "then, why did all the people worship them before? Why did they make them up? What about God?"

I found a book when I was 7 or 8, (swiped from under my sis's bed), The Book of Spells, and experimented with the ones that did not involve eating spiders or dove blood.

Fast forward to years later, when my first lizard died (my totem/spirit animal is crocodile, along with snakes and lizards), I was devastated, and I stopped praying to the Catholic God. I had realised that everything that I had learnt and the things that I had faith in was becoming a very square peg to Catholic's round hole.

When I was fifteen, I met my half brother for the first time (my mum was forced to adopt him out thirty years ago), and I was shocked to learn that he used to be deeply immersed in pagan activities, and that he used to have a "sense", where he'd be able to tell you where you left your car keys or where your grandmother lost her brooch, even though he's never met you before. But after a very bad event in a graveyard with some friends and high magick, he swore off magick and "gave up" his "sense", and made me promise NEVER to practice magick on my own, rather, in a coven approved by him.

He never told me what exactly happened, but it was bad enough that he cut all ties and turned to drugs, but he was fond of me and worried, because I was getting a "sense" as well, (since hitting puberty) but more of knowing what people were doing, and also dreaming shards of the future. He eventually left a few years ago for the north, and I haven't heard from him since.

As soon as he left, I began to throw myself into magick more than ever before, and tried to consider joining a coven, but it didn't fit - so it's been a path of success, hiccups and failure, pissing off a deity and discovering new worlds by myself. I'm pretty proud to have come this far, and I remind myself to always have doubt to stay in my human shoes.
 
 
Dusto
20:42 / 06.07.08
I think I posted all of this in 2003 under a different account (Bloody Chiclitz), but Google’s not helping me find it, so here it is again:

I grew up in a fairly religious household. My mom, at least, was Seventh Day Adventist and took me to church, and she wouldn’t let me play D & D or with Ouija boards because she was afraid it would summon real demons who would possess me. She also would tell the story, corroborated by my aunt and grandmother, about how she used to levitate tables when she was in high school, placing her hands on the top of the table and then lifting all four legs off the ground just by raising her hands. Supposedly she couldn’t do this in rooms that contained a crucifix, so she got freaked out and thought it was demons giving her the power, and she stopped doing it.

When I was around 13, I decided that I no longer believed in God, though I was still interested in religion (in particular mystic religions like Gnosticism, Sufism, and Kabbalah). I was also always interested in magic, and in high school I got into the yijing, casting the coins for my friends sometimes with startlingly appropriate results. When I was about 16, for some reason I started having a lot of night terrors, though I didn’t know what they were at the time. I would wake up in the night, paralyzed, with the sense that something ineffably evil was beside me, whispering in my ear. This went on for about two weeks before I randomly started doing this weird “ritual” before falling asleep, envisioning opposed hemispheres passing through me along x, y, and z axes to form three protective spheres around me after they’d all passed completely through (I’m not sure if that description gives a visual idea of what I mean or not, but I guess it’s not important). Anyway, the night terrors ceased from the moment I started doing this.

My natural instincts have always been fairly in line with the principles of sympathetic magic. I’ll take a piece of something and vaguely try to use it to influence the whole. No system, just instinct, and I can’t say I’ve had any concretely measurable results from this sort of thing, but it’[s the way my mind works. I also tried a sigil once and got better than the result I was hoping for, though it’s a case where I can’t positively attribute the result to magic.

Lately, no idea why, my old interest has been renewed. When I sit and reflect, I’m a skeptic, but as I said before my natural instinct is towards a vague sort of mysticism. I’ve been trying to invoke Mercury lately, seeing if I can get him to show up for a chat, so we can see if the two of us might be able to work out some sort of mutually beneficial relationship, but I’ve still had very little measurable success. The first attempt was the most promising, when a book arrived in the mail with a section about Mercury in chapter one on the same day that I first invoked him. The next few attempts didn’t give me much to go on (one was an attempt at meditation while running, since he and I are both runners, the other was an all day vision quest around Manhattan, leaving coins at various crossroads and trying to follow my instincts). The only promising result after the first was a few nights ago when I did a little research on the Tarot and found that Trump 1, the Magus, is associated with Mercury, so I decided to mentally identify myself with that card. I shuffled, cut, and had my wife lay the cards for me, and was pleasantly surprised when that card came up as representing the querent (me). I suppose I’ll see where this road takes me.
 
 
yemeth
17:24 / 08.07.08

nice thread and stories

I've never been the magicky-type, if there can be any standard. Not even remotely a newager, and I still flee from such environments. When I was a teenager I was mostly attracted to computers and hacking, science, politics, and philosophy, specially as I sank into a deep existential crisis which developed into a depression that lasted for years: thinking nothing to be true, and tremendously rebelling against society because of the lies I had been conditioned to believe.

The story on what drew me to magick starts like five years ago, in the depths of my depression. Some close friends and I had formed in the previous years a group we called “hiddenpath” in which we tried to find “answers” (what is all this about, etc). We had started with Hermann Hesse and existentialism and went on and on,... I developed some curiosity towards magick, since chaos magick sounded pretty coherent unlike the typical newage nutty stuff, and bought the "Book of Lies" from Disinfo. I started with Pop Magic!, changed a bit the exercise on invocation to fit my meditation skills and externalize it (a bit like evoking demons), and in one month I found that I had almost fully stopped my depression by identifying it with an external entity, which I had shaped using May (the character in the "May" movie).

I still didn't believe at that time it was anything beyond some mind tricks, but all in all it was such an awesome tool to control my mind that I was hooked. One day, a week after a lucky ritual, really weird synchros started to happen. They piled up and started to look like personal messages, then piled up even more and developed into something like personal demons and a conversation with some all-something, and the game really started,... and my skepticism learnt that strict rationalism wasn't true skepticism at all
 
 
Foretold Soldier
06:08 / 16.07.08
My first interest in magic began when I first believed in the soul, or higher self. I was beyond the breaking point from taking an aztec communion to the sun god via the morning glory, and I communicated through body language with my pet rats. I bonded with them deeply, became one with every thing, and ultimately discovered a new way of life for my self. I haven't gone back since.
 
 
SBN-1
14:26 / 16.07.08
Hola!
Great reading the posts here!

My first memories in life are of playing with elves when I was about two years old. Up until school I was regarded as almost autistic, not responding to outside stimuli other than music. Started writing books at four. I used to look at the stars and intensely long to get back. Then I began in catholic school(kind of weird as my parents were post-hippie communists) and everything changed. I became this super-sensitive macho alpha-male beating up anybody with the nerve to pick on me. I also experienced that I was able to manipulate/dominate my friends into almost anything (sex included).

Six years later my school priest introduced me to William Blake... For the first time I saw images that resembled my memories from infancy, and I got obsessed with drawing copies of Blake's prints.
At fourteen I had a drowning accident and experienced trancendence of space-time and death-conciousness for the first time. At the same time my friends started doing drugs, killing themselves and generally being stupid, so I went into survival mode dodging gang-fights and drugs as I violently opposed authorities and dreamt of another way. The opportunity presented itself:

After one year in high school I was politely asked to leave by the school-counselor so I got on the first bus out of town and joined a ritualistic, shamanistic street-theatre touring Europe. Here I was introduced to all kinds of bodywork, trance, breathing, sound, extacy, hard work (blooody haaard work) and kept on doing that for twelve years. In that period I did a lot of martial arts, body-building and qi-work too. At the same time I had countless experiences with visions, healing, rapture etc as well as an obsession with falcons as they appeared in my dreams and in real life making a deep impression on me.
Finally I started reading stuff like daoism, TCM, Castaneda, myths, RAW, sufism, Crowley, Leary etc trying to find words for all the fun stuff in my life.
At this point I realized that I had been working non-stop since I was sixteen and had no formal education, so I quit touring and started studying medicine and body-therapy and joined the OTO. And that's where I am today.
So I guess my approach to magic (transformation of energy) has been very practical, subjective and forceful. Now I'm trying to read up on the theory for balance and further growth. As a result of all this combined with my temperament I am convinced that (my) life has to be magical - I really have no better choice. GERONIMO!
 
 
Tuna Ghost takes rad lessons
22:09 / 16.07.08
I, um, I bought a pizza and written on the underside of the box was the message "why not try a career in music" which I misread slightly and here I am. Years later, upon discovering my mistake, I picked up a guitar and have left all this magic nonsense behind me.
 
 
clever sobriquet
15:10 / 17.07.08
The short answer was that I finally stopped and took a friend's admonition towards empiricism seriously and began to pay attention to all my senses. The long answer is, well, longer. Due to some pretty frightening experiences as a young child (figures watching me through the walls at night, etc) and some really quality dismissal by adults, I came to the logical-for-a-five-year-old conclusion that I was alone on this, and that if I ignored and denied the experiences,they wouldn't bother me.

It didn't work, unsurprisingly. In classic repression manner, things leaked out all over the place. I had an attraction/repulsion to all things weird, and would read ghost stories, tales of UFO and Forteana like crazy, until I creeped myself out and couldn't sleep for weeks. About the age of twelve, I started having "migraines" that would override my sensory impressions and take me... somewhere else. Every few years, I'd build up enough courage or exasperation to "try something", but then things would get weird fast and scare me back into denial.

Jump to a brief period of unemployment, where I had lots of alone time on my hands, and things started rushing in to such an extent that I really began to believe I might be shizophrenic (sad, to look back on it and realize my reaction to feeling love and personal attention from the sun, trees or the wind was fear and worry about my own sanity). Unsurprisingly, my "migraines" continued, until I finally started paying attention to the visions that came with them, stopped fighting them, and realizing that there was no pain, only disorientation and loss of standard sensory control.

Since then, I've made friends with all sorts of .... well, I just call them friends; I don't have a better word for it. Some are, or choose to appear as, human shaped (Hermes, Euterpe, maybe Odin and someone who's almost certainly a Ghede), and others who come more primally (sun, winds, rain, trees, bodies of water). The world is a much less frightening place now that I'm no longer suffering numinous PTSD.
 
 
Cee Ess Nolte
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16:44 / 17.07.08
How about we refer to it as Post-pneumatic stress disorientation - PPSD? Tis no disorder, surely!
 
 
clever sobriquet
21:45 / 17.07.08
NfB-T, I'd say *my* bad reaction from early experiences of numina was disordered, but I can't speak for anyone else.
 
  

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