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Victorian Literature - your recommendations humbly sought

 
  

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Dusto
16:47 / 19.03.08
A little later than you're looking for, but Evelyn Waugh is good. I'd particularly recommend A Handful of Dust as a countermeasure to Dickens.

And as far as books set in Victorian times go, The West-End Horror, by Nicholas Meyer, is a Sherlock Holmes pastiche featuring Oscar Wilde, GB Shaw, and others.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
17:32 / 19.03.08
I've read quite a bit of Waugh and it is a bit too late for me - I'm looking for that Empire-building pre-WWI innocence/naivete about the place of Britain in the world - that Conan Doyle urban-industrial paradigm of fog, gaslight, murder, hansom-cabs, stair-rods, bonnets and impromptu fainting/fisticuffs (depending on gender), with a bit of country-house Gothic thrown in. Sherlock Holmes meets Jane Eyre, essentially (I know they're 30 years and hundreds of miles apart ...).

That Holmes parody sounds super though. Damn I wish Borders were better stocked.
 
 
ghadis
18:18 / 19.03.08
A couple of Holmes like detectives that you may like (albeit with a supernatural twist) are William Hope Hodgsons' Carnacki the Ghost Finder and Algernon Blackwoods' Psychic detective' John Silence. Out of copyright now so you can download away.

Hodgsons novel 'The House on the Borderland' is also well worth reading.

Also a couple of early science fiction you may like.

M.P.Shiel's 'The Purple Cloud' is a classic post-apocalyptic novel from 1901, the narrator is on an expedition to the North Pole when a mysterious purple cloud comes along and wipes out the rest of worlds population. Realising that he is the last man alive he, quite understandibly, wanders around, dresses up in dead peoples clothes and starts blowing up buildings with explosives. It's what i would do.

David Lindsays' A Voyage to Arcturus'from 1920 is, quite frankly, bonkers.
 
 
SGZax
00:00 / 21.03.08
I'm seconding the recommendations of Machen, Gaskell, Maturin... basically all of the above mentioned authors. Have you given Thomas Hardy a try? Tess of the Durbervilles is interesting from many angles... traditional, feminist, occultist...

Don't forget Dracula. The book drips with morbidity and hysteria. The infantilization of Lucy, who is also an almost universal object of desire, has always seemed to say something important about the author's opinion (fear?) of women.

Has anyone given a shout-out to Bulwer-Lytton? He gets bad press (he penned the infamous opening "It was a dark and stormy night") but his stuff is kind of central for people engaged in finding the secret undercurrents in literature and history. The Coming Race has been uncertainly linked to later Nazi strangeness and Zanoni has a lot of overlap with Theosophist philosophy. He's important is you're dealing with the history of magick or non-traditional philosophical inquiry as well as literature.

I'm finishing my Master's in English now and am dealing with Victorian attitudes toward science and fantasy. I have a paper shaping up that uncertainly (so far) deals with anxieties about scientific findings and what they mean about the Victorian understanding of the soul. I'm specifically making links between Frankenstein (which is a Romantic work, I know), Island of Dr. Moreau, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, and "The Great God Pan."

Anyway, I found a great non-fiction book called A Geography of Victorian Gothic Fiction: Mapping History's Nightmares by Robert Mighall that is a great starting off point for dealing with some of these texts. I've have a fondness for situationist frameworks, and this book sort of treats Victorian gothic and horror fiction like a roadmap to the center of the Victorian soul. Maybe you could get it from a library?
 
 
Whisky Priestess
12:53 / 27.03.08
Cheers! It might be library time for the background reading, I reckon, but in the mean time I can thoroughly recommend the Flashman novels for fun and some enjoyable stealth learning (I now know an awful lot about the duchy of Strackenz - assuming it exists - thanks to reading Royal Flash, set in 1848).
 
 
Mark Parsons
07:23 / 29.03.08
RE Alice and Underground civilizations. Try ETIDORPHA (look at it backwards). Terrence McKenna, IIRC, thought this oddball, trippy book indicated that psychedelic mushrooms were available in Victorian times (they were "officially" rediscovered by Western intelligentia much later) and therefore the book (and hey maybe! even! ALICE IN WONDERLAND, man!) were inspired by shroomy visions. I have the book but never read it, but it seemed like a cool time capsule type item.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
17:16 / 31.03.08
I can think of nothing more boring than the idea that Alice in Wonderland is All About Drugs Really, except possibly the idea that one can read Gothic Horror against the grain to find it's actually subversive against Victorian Hypocrisy. Am I greatly misguided, and is there a thread to be had out of this?
 
 
GogMickGog
(prev. Mick Mak Mok)
21:02 / 31.03.08
seconded, Reg.

Stuff and nonsense passed about by bong-addled philosophy students. Carroll was about as far from a 'proto-hippy' as can be imagined. And to dispell a series of comic routines and metaphors as finely wrought as those in 'Wonderland' as hallucinations etc is gimpish buffoonery of the highest order. Read Martin Gardner for the full scoop. Likewise, most gothic horror is chock full of the sort of prudish revulsion typical of the stereotypical Victorian mindset - I remember reading that Machen was one of only two writers polled on the Spanish civil war who came out in favour of Franco. The other was Waugh. Nuff said.
 
 
Decadent Daytripper in Love
(prev. Decadent Daytripper Falls Up)
21:36 / 31.03.08
Rereading Orwell on Wells, I have to wonder if any artist ever knows what their contemporaries are up to. The Sleeper Wakes seems oddly culturally-prescient these days.

I'm getting back into Victorian/Edwardian-era (and just beyond) childrens' books, Barrie and Montgomery, Coolidge and Dodgson, Ozma and Elsie Dinsmore and the New Mother, et al.

The New Mother scares me shitless. It's like some horrible monstrous thing using the pretense of a moral to go on being thoroughly cruel. Lucy Clifford (nee Lane, which I am geeky enough to love intensely) is a good author to look at, actually. There's an interesting avoidance/hesitance in "The Last Touches" for instance, that I find oddly hypnotic.
 
 
Opalfruit
13:49 / 04.04.08
Recommendations for the Victorian era... hmm.

I've always enjoyed Matthew Lewis's 'The Monk'. An excellent example of the gothic novel that doesn't get a bit silly like some others.

I love George MacDonald Fraser's Flashman books, they're quite an education. The continuing adventures of Flashman from Tom Brown's school days as he gets reluctantly entwined in every signigicant battle in 19th Century history. Loved them great fun.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
23:49 / 07.04.08
Thoroughly enjoying my birthday Henry James ghost stories so far - although (perhaps it was the hangover, and perhaps it was the prose) I was literally unable to read James's introduction(s) without having to go over every sentence at least four times, thus inducing a non-blissful trance state.

And after these I have prostitute melodrama The Crimson Petal and the White to devour. Hooray!
 
 
GogMickGog
(prev. Mick Mak Mok)
12:38 / 08.04.08
Does that collection have 'The Lonely Corner' in it, er, innit? Them's spooky oats. James in maximum creep mode.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
19:22 / 09.04.08
It's got "The Jolly Corner" in it, which may be the same thing and may be a companion piece, I suppose. I haven't got to it yet though - still on "Owen Wingrave".
 
 
All Acting Regiment
19:55 / 09.04.08
Do you want poetry reccomendations as well?

It's a thorny ground, that one, as a lot of people display a sentimental attachment to the Rossettis and various other contemptible vagarisers and divorcers of thought from feeling.

I'd better not get too exercised on this as it's part of a serious sssay I'm writing for publication, but I see evidence that the bad poetry of the Victorian era is responsible for the current understanding of poetry now as something Not To Be Read. It's a foul fog that, by debasing the Tradition, makes the stuff before it seem even more lifeless and inacessible when actually the reverse is true.

Now, Robert Browning and Gerard Manley Hopkins, on the other hand ... and also some of Emily Bronte, as in 'My Lady's Grave', if we omit the last two stanzas and are charitable toward S2:

THE linnet in the rocky dells,
The moor-lark in the air,
The bee among the heather bells
That hide my lady fair:

The wild deer browse above her breast;
The wild birds raise their brood;
And they, her smiles of love caress'd,
Have left her solitude!

I ween that when the grave's dark wall
Did first her form retain,
They thought their hearts could ne'er recall
The light of joy again.

They thought the tide of grief would flow
Uncheck'd through future years;
But where is all their anguish now,
And where are all their tears?

Well, let them fight for honour's breath,
Or pleasure's shade pursue--
The dweller in the land of death
Is changed and careless too.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
12:00 / 10.04.08
Do you want poetry recommendations as well?

Er ... not really. A snatch of Tennyson is about my limit, and besides, poetry's not really relevant to my project.

But thanks though!
 
  

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