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Chronicles of Narnia - Prince Caspian

 
 
yichihyon
03:43 / 07.12.07
Chronicles of Narnia - Prince Caspian movie poster.

Anybody looking forward to the continuation of the Chronicles of Narnia? I know I am. I was a fan of the books since a boy. Directed by Andrew Adamson. I thought he did a good job on the first one of the series. Any thoughts on the second of the series?

Prince Caspian trailer
Narnia website
 
 
Mistress of Cats Kali
(prev. Kali, somewhat sheepish.)
04:03 / 07.12.07
Saw the trailer, got me excited. My only worry is that of a fanboy: I know why they are doing the books out of sequence, but still...I like continuity.
 
 
Time, Please!
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10:48 / 07.12.07
They're not doing them out of sequence, though, are they? So far, the films are going to come out in the order the books were written and published. It would be absolute 100% cast-iron LUNACY to make a film of The Horse and His Boy next, more so than it would have been to make The Magician's Nephew first. Lewis' second Narnia book is Prince Caspian: it's the next part of the story. The Horse and His Boy is, frankly, filler, and I don't know if it really warrants adaptation at all (although it is many years since I read it, more so than y'know, the really good ones).
 
 
Time, Please!
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10:51 / 07.12.07
Personally I just want them to bang this one out ASAP so they can get to the Dawn Treader / Silver Chair double punch.
 
 
El Directo
11:52 / 07.12.07
Is that a double punch that you're hoping will leave you ON THE ROPES?
 
 
Time, Please!
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12:06 / 07.12.07
More like bound to a chair with ropes AH DO YOU SEE
 
 
Jack Fear
15:35 / 07.12.07
The Once And Future Flyboy is correct about the movies following the order of the rlease of the books, rather than the chronology of Narnia. The books were renumbered fairly recently—after I’d read them, anyway, so some time after the late 1970s—in accordance with someone-or-other’s deathbed wish. And like lots of deathbed wishes, it doesn’t make a hell of a lot of sense.

We talked a lot about that and other things in this thread on The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, which I urge you to read if you have not done so; not only does it answer a lot o questions that may arise here, it’s also one of the best movie threads we’ve ever done on Barbelith, IMHO, and not just because I run my mouth a lot in it.

I can see the point of wanting to get Caspian out of the way, too, in the sense that not a lot actually happens, compared to the travelogue of wonders that is Dawn Treader and the fevered atmospheres of Chair; but it’s the one book in the series that lingers most in my mind. It’s got some of the loveliest and most vivid descriptive writing in the series (which of course won’t survive the translation to the screen), but it’s also the clearest example of how idiosyncratic and strange Lewis’s religiosity is.

The theology of the Narnia books is downright weird, and never moreso than in Caspian. There’s a lot more going on here than the simplistic Aslan = Jesus equivalency. This is no Jesus we’ve ever known; he’s a direct-interventionist god who nonetheless absents himself from human affairs for long periods, often to disastrous effect. He’s the true ruler of Narnia, or so we hear, but he’s rather m ore like an absentee landlord—never staying long, more a figure of rumor than an object of worship, always being forgotten and rediscovered. More of an Old Testament God, really, with kings and princes as his prophets.

But what does it mean, allegorically, for Lewis to begin with a conflation of the Christmas and Easter stories and then vault backwards to what is essentially a retelling of the Babylonian Captivity?

And Lewis’s theology has room in it for pagan gods and pagan sensuality: in Caspian we find river spirits (the sundering of the bridge at Beruna shows up briefly in the trailer), naiads and dryads, Silenus, and Bacchus—Bacchus, for cry-eye—as part of Aslan’s entourage. The bad guys are Puritans, basically, consumed with a loathing for superstition, frivolity, and the body. When Aslan returns (again), all that is swept aside; the wine flows freely, and people throw off their “scratchy, uncomfortable clothes” and dance with wild abandon. Safe to say that the allegedly-huge Christian Conservative audience that ate up Lion is going to have rougher sledding with the rest of the series.

Perhaps most importantly, Caspian foreshadows and deepens what is probably the most troubling and controversial aspect of the series, The Problem Of Susan—and makes a strong case that what keeps her out of Heaven at the eschaton is not sexual sin, after all.

Based on the first movie, and impression gleaned from the trailer, I imagine that the adaptation will be faithful, workmanlike—neither striving for nor attaining genius as a piece of filmmaking—and I guess that’s okay. Andrew Adam’s Son seems to think his job as director is to not get in the way of the material, and to let Lewis speak for himself. And Lewis speaking for himself should generate plenty of discussion.

Tiny quibble; I’d always imagined Caspian as younger. He’s only a year or two older than Peter, isn’t he?
 
 
grant
16:14 / 07.12.07
How much of Lewis do you think is borrowed from Blake, Jack?

I'm not really that familiar with Narnia - read a few (not all) of the books in my early teens and forgot 'em. The Perelandra books stuck with me.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
16:25 / 07.12.07
I'm a lot more interested in this film than I was in the Lion. Mainly becaue I'm less familiar with the source materisl, having read it once about twenty years ago and having listened to the Beebs radio dramatisation at the time of broadcast and perhaps once or twice since the C.D. release.

I think most people are familiar with The Lion, certainly a large multiple factor more than are familiar with any of the other novels, and I agree a lot of people are going to be surprised by the contents, especially if they are expecting comfortably church friendly fare. Of course the content could well have been re-shaped into a more Alpha happy shape, for all I know.

Having mentioned the latest radio version I'd also happily recommend it to anyone as a fine collection. Not perfect but very good. Horse, for instance, I enjoyed a lot more Aurally than Textually.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:01 / 07.12.07
grant: You know, I haven’t read enough Blake to comment on that with any authority.

I’ve always connected Lewis’s stance with that of St. Augustine, who argued that pre-Christian philosophy (what we would today call “an education in the Classics”) was not incompatible with Christianity, and that Christian values were discernible in the works of, say, Aristotle—if (and this is vital) you read them in a Christian frame of mind.

Context is vital for Augustine, and for Lewis. Susan says to Lucy, “I wouldn’t have felt safe with Bacchus and all his wild girls if we’d met them without Aslan.” So it’s less about Blake’s truth arising from the reconciling of opposites than it is about having your cake and eating it too.

Then again, neither Augustine nor Aristotle were dance-around-in-your-underwear types, so I may just be blowing smoke, here.

In going to the bookshelf to confirm that quote, BTW, I note that Caspian—although it is not, as noted above, particularly densely-plotted, is the second-longest book in the series, shorter only than the one-damn-thing-after-another extravaganza of Dawn Treader.

Also: I read the first two books of the Space Trilogy this summer and fucking hated them. Perelandra, in particular gave me the shits: transparently allegorical, ham-fisted, preachy—everything the Narnia books aren’t.
 
 
grant
17:59 / 07.12.07
Yeah, the third one is less allegorical, but yes, they're obviously what they are. The second is the worst of the bunch.

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On Blake: I was mainly thinking about the way he shifts the Good/Evil binary to Innocence/Experience, and the way he plays around with Promethean figures as "good" but "experienced" (and thus not worthy or impure in some ways).
 
  
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