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Dollhouse: New Joss Whedon show

 
 
grant
22:44 / 06.11.07
So, E! Online are reporting that Joss Whedon and Eliza "Faith" Dushku are coming out with a new show about a characterless character named Echo. A bit like Neo in the first Matrix movie, she can be anything - skills and personalities downloaded to order. Temporarily. The rest of the time, she's supposed to be a tabula rasa. Only she isn't, quite.

Seven episodes have been greenlit by FOX - just in time for the writers strike to knock everything off.
 
 
Hieronymus
00:35 / 07.11.07
Why he returns to FOX after the 3 card monte they gave Firefly is beyond me.
 
 
Mistress of Cats Kali
(prev. Kali, somewhat sheepish.)
01:31 / 07.11.07
Yes, well, let's not quibble about that and wish the best for him.
 
 
West Baltimore Hausing Project
08:10 / 07.11.07
Eliza Dushku plays mindwiped ass-kicking sexbot. Hmmm.

I'd like this to be good, but I'm not totally convinced that the Whedon pixie dust is going to be enough, especially since this sort of reset-button television can be pretty viewer-hostile; whereas Firefly never really got off the ground, Angel was kiled by a failure to entice casual viewers in its later series. However, everything he's done so far has sounded dubious on paper, and has usually turned out at least passably well, so fingers crossed.

(As for FOX - as I understand it, FOX were looking for an Eliza Dushku project, and she got him involved. Following the money, essentally, although why they thought an Eliza Dushku project was a good dea is another question, of course.)
 
 
Evil Scientist
(prev. Evil Science Holiday)
12:01 / 07.11.07
Following the money, essentally, although why they thought an Eliza Dushku project was a good dea is another question, of course.

Two words... Tru Calling.

The show so good they had Jason Priestly in it.
 
 
iamus
13:18 / 07.11.07
Sounds very Quantum Leap to me.
 
 
El Directo
13:38 / 07.11.07
Well, it's a premise. Any premise can be made good by decent writing. This one lends itself to both episodic and serialised writing, you could potentially establish a very interesting Memento-style arc plot, or Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind-style arc subplot, or Aeon Flux style weirdo resets in which the "villain" and "hero" swap roles according to the job they're assigned... knowing in advance that you're going to lose your memories has already been an excellent narrative driver for a ten episode arc of another excellent show that quite a few people have been into on this forum recently. All the premise needs to be is a jumping off point for a whole lot more, and Whedon has a higher chance of pulling that off than most.
 
 
West Baltimore Hausing Project
13:39 / 07.11.07
Tru Calling was Quantum Leap, essentially, without those tiring and expensive changes of scene. It also stunk out the ratings, and is remarkable for taking down (so we thought) not just Eliza Dushku, but another Buffy alumna, Marti Noxon, whose also-stinky replacement Point Pleasant did even worse, creating a quantum event where it was cancelled actually before Noxon thought of it. And then released on DVD. This feels a bit more like Alias - a new identity every week - but with the sci-fi brainwipe element, and if Whedon's subconscious is now writing the stories probably also some leather outfits.

Still, it seems Dushku and Whedon are still interesting enough to risk seven episodes on - which really isn't much for Americans, though. People complain that Tru Calling wasn't given a chance after 26, and the untimely death of Firefly is of course much lamented.
 
 
El Directo
13:49 / 07.11.07
Eliza Dushku plays mindwiped ass-kicking sexbot. Hmmm.

Well, yes. I'm not wholly sure whether or not Whedon has ever fully owned up to writing the kind of female characters whose toes he'd like to nibble (although at this stage I don't know how much of this story premise is what he bought to the table). In interview maybe (could anyone source one?), but not in the show itself (and certainly not with the level of honesty about ones own culpability that Hideaki Anno managed with Gunbuster).
 
 
iamus
17:22 / 09.11.07
Well, yes. I'm not wholly sure whether or not Whedon has ever fully owned up to writing the kind of female characters whose toes he'd like to nibble

It's a criticism I've seen levelled at Whedon before, but it's not one that I'm entirely sure holds a whole lot of water. Last night, I finally started watching the last season of Buffy and I'd forgotten how much I loved that show (I used to follow it religiously, but for one reason or another let it hang after the disappointing sixth).

Point is, that while Whedon has a knack for writing sassy, pretty ass-kicking girls it's far from being his only trick. In Buffy, in particular, the men spend far more time smouldering and flashing their flesh than any of the women. While in Firefly, the most complex, interesting and sexiest character by quite a margin is Mal Reynolds. I'm not sure you could really pin River to him in the same way you could Buffy. She's an exploited, mentally-damaged young girl. If anything, she's the beginnings of critique on exactly this.

I don't think it's entirely surprising that Whedon has written female characters that he'd like to get with. As a writer, you go with what you know, so inevitibly his creations are going to reflect those parts of his personality somewhere down the line. I do think however that Whedon writes his female characters with a depth and understanding that is a good step above most of what is (or at any rate was pre-Buffy) being shown on TV. He writes intelligent, strong, passionate and vulnerable characters (most prominently women) in such a way that if you're any sort of smart, empathic person you can't really help but be attracted to them.

Anno is very clever in being upfront and honest about the use of female characters in his work and in his medium, but in doing so, his heroines do end up half naked quarter the time and I don't think any of really them measure up to the depth of character laid down in Whedon's oeuvre. That's not necessarily a completely fair comparison though when you weigh up the collective screentime of Whedon's against Anno's.

I think a large part of Whedon's work does address the exploitation of women, though its not really framed in such meta terms. River and Buffy are both reflections of this, young girls exploited by stuffy old men in suits, whether it be for the greater good or evil. Dollhouse sounds as if it could well be the development of this trend to the point of proper dissection. Certainly from the way that he and Dushku talk in the interview is sounds as being such, and really, for a writer of Whedon's depth and smarts it's seems kind of impossible with a setup like this that it's going to miss the glaringly obvious themes that seem hard-wired into its concept.
 
 
Stoatie's power level is >9000
18:56 / 09.11.07
although why they thought an Eliza Dushku project was a good dea is another question, of course

The only person they polled was me. Did I do such a bad thing?
 
 
iamus
19:53 / 09.11.07
Tru Calling was Quantum Leap, essentially, without those tiring and expensive changes of scene.

Hrmmmm... I think I may have caught all of about four minutes of Tru Calling.

That's about four minutes that could have been better spent watching Quantum Leap, tbh.
 
  
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