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AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!!!!

 
  

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THOR!
22:51 / 18.10.07


it's difficult to know about what to say hank the wank pym that mark millar hasn't already poked around at, other than 'good heavens that's a rubbish costume'. i think he's interesting, and more-or-less unique, in that he's a long-standing A-minus list supertype who's got more than one big-small/insect-themed costumed identity, and in fact has a whole wardrobe of them: giant-man, ant-man, yellowjacket, goliath, and dr. scarlet jumpsuit (are there others? that last look's twenty-plus years old now).

it'd be nice to have a book where he picks and chooses what he'll be battling evil in today, basing his look on perhaps his mood, or random impulses, or suitability for the job, and experimenting with combinations (giantjacket) and brave new original looks (big-hipster, ant-fucker).

i was going to talk about how he's probably the world's most famous two-dimensional spousal abuser, but i don't think that's really called for here. what has occurred to me, comparing his love of super-sartorial variety with his wife's famous fashion addiction, is the emphasis throughout the avengers on social status symbols (private jets, mansions, islands, servants - the core three are primarily empowered by their exclusive access to priceless fighting kit - quite odd for a superhero that, only green lantern otherwise really) and decidedly establishment-friendly characters. let's look at the origin. a bunch of very handsome upper-class types: the icon of the world's most proudly expensive military complex and embodiment of nationalistic zeal; a nordic god; a drinky drinky arms dealer/'industrialist' zillionaire (okay he wasn't drinky drinky at that stage, but); and a pair of overeducated new york socialites get together to beat up a geeky nuclear weapons designer who has outlived his profitability. the sports-team angle doesn't really work here, a posh golf club maybe, but it can certainly be made to fit with other units of social organisation: a court, an aristocracy, or perhaps a masonic lodge (as millar maybe hinted).

this fits quite nicely with the following schema:

avengers - rich upper classes
ff - middle class family (no butler for them, only labour saving gadgets)
x-men - social outcasts/underclass

those early bullpenners even gave us models of how the individual can interact with these established social codes:

spidey - immature individual, connected but subordinate to all groups
hulk - mature (i.e. self-directing) individual, connected but superior to all groups

and that's about as far as i got.
 
 
Bots'wana Beast
22:54 / 18.10.07
Forgive me, friend Thor, but I was kind of under the impression that HouseRoy was kind of responsible - cocreation of Iron Fist, who I find myself now wishing I'd gone, aside - for pretty much everything shit in modern superhero comics, to wit: continuity obsession and tedious rationales for why exciting stuff happened in Kirby comics. (The latter may have, in retrospect, been John Byrne - I'm trying to find that really upsetting page with Scarlet Witch and Simon thingy - search string, a thing of wonder in itself "byrne "simon williams" "scarlet witch" sexual" reveals it's in WCA #56 - ah, beauty) Kirby certainly disdained him, which is good enough for me normally.
 
 
Bots'wana Beast
23:01 / 18.10.07
There's a quite persuasive pseudoscience article out there about Pym's many identities and his evident affixed personality disorders; this is about as good as I could find, and I don't think it's the same one.
 
 
THOR!
23:02 / 18.10.07
 
 
Bots'wana Beast
23:04 / 18.10.07


creepy fucking buddies
 
 
THOR!
23:07 / 18.10.07
or


?
 
 
THOR!
23:07 / 18.10.07
to me my x-post
 
 
The Natural Way
00:05 / 19.10.07
That guy and the heads up there reminds me of some creepy super-alternate of the very, very horrible Doom Patrol villain, Jim Dandy.
 
 
Dead Megatron
00:11 / 19.10.07
No DC references, please! Crossovers have been done to exhaustion in the 90s already...
 
 
Deculture Decedent
(prev. Deculture Aquatripper)
00:58 / 19.10.07
Crossovers have been done to exhaustion in the 90s already...

Doesn't that mean the nostalgia sales should be ripe about now?
 
 
THOR!
01:10 / 19.10.07
everyone knows that the only good reason for the invention of words and pictures is so goodies and baddies in daft costumes can fire lasers out their hands at each other and stuffeth. that is why crossovers are brilliant, as long as i don't have to buy them, and, backtracking a bit, why roy thomas' run on the avengers is brilliant.
 
 
Dead Megatron
02:22 / 19.10.07
Doesn't that mean the nostalgia sales should be ripe about now?

Not just yet. Maybe in 2010...
 
 
Deculture Decedent
(prev. Deculture Aquatripper)
02:34 / 19.10.07
I'm so behind the times, I am in fact four or so years ahead of the current trends. I may just listen to Kula Shaker in public today.
 
 
A Haus of Minions
02:36 / 19.10.07
You know what this is?



This is the reason I am joining the Goddamn Champions.
 
 
Dead Megatron
02:53 / 19.10.07
And he wonders why no one emigrates to Latveria.
 
 
Keggers vs Dracula
(prev. Caffinated Keggers)
03:01 / 19.10.07
Puck: Died in New Avengers #16
Vindicator: Died in New Avengers #16
Major Mapleleaf: Died in New Avengers #16
Puck: Died in New Avengers #16

Why do Canadians go to the (New) Avengers to die?
 
 
Deculture Decedent
(prev. Deculture Aquatripper)
03:04 / 19.10.07
Cheer up. Wolverine's in there virtually every issue. And will never fucking die. (For very long.) Of course, at this point, the crazy mutant may've naturalized over.
 
 
Keggers vs Dracula
(prev. Caffinated Keggers)
03:08 / 19.10.07
And will never fucking die.
Logan died along time ago...(tear drop)... on the inside.
 
 
Boboss
11:32 / 19.10.07
PHASING IS ONE OF MY ABILITIES!

However

I'm not sure underclass works well for the X-Men given their enormous wealth. See their mansion, grounds, hypersonic jet, Cerebra, Danger Room, etc... and the fact that it all takes places in a what would seem to be an expensive fee paying school.
 
 
Deculture Decedent
(prev. Deculture Aquatripper)
11:38 / 19.10.07
Underclass in the sense that no amount of money, do-gooding, social presence, or desperate attempts to pass will ever let them be the more prominent other works. At least to my mind.
 
 
Evil Scientist
(prev. Wristwatch Nuke)
11:40 / 19.10.07
Hang on, when has being unwelcome in the US ever stopped Doom walking in there and setting up lab? Never ever, that's when.

Doombot! DOOMBOT! Smack him Cage, smack him good.
 
 
A Haus of Minions
12:09 / 19.10.07
Besides, doesn't he have diplomatic immunity as monarch of Latveria? Although that shit didn't wash with Pinochet. Maybe the climate is changing for evil dictators of small nations...

The X-Men is a bit of a Harry Potter fantasy, isn't it? You are unpopular, shunned, hated and feared by an etcetera, but you are also cock-off rich, have loads of mates and superpowers. In terms of what that represents - an urban LGBT community?
 
 
Boboss
12:25 / 19.10.07
COMPUTER BRAIN!

Well, I suppose it's a matter of scale to some degree. I mean, for much of the X-Men's run they've had the government and the public and the world and a bunch of supervillains and entire alien civilisations very much on their arses. So perhaps there's an argument that, despite all their wealth, in comparison to the forces they're fighting they are actually astonishingly (did you see what I did there!!?!!) under resourced, powerless and poor.

Of course, however, most folks fighting for their civil rights don't have the Phoenix on their side, or a guy who can mind control half the world, or a fella who is the best there is at what he does.
 
 
A Haus of Minions
13:21 / 19.10.07
I mean, for much of the X-Men's run they've had the government and the public and the world and a bunch of supervillains and entire alien civilisations very much on their arses.

_Exactly_ like the LGBT community.
 
 
The Freewheeling Penis
(prev. The Freewheeling Convo)
13:33 / 19.10.07
I talk to ants!

a fella who is the best there is at what he does

And what is that, pray tell?

I agree with Jarbrain when he says that the X-Men are, generally, a typical power fantasy. You're shunned and despised, but you're secretly sexy with really cool powers. If only the other kids at school/the office knew... The minority bit is just a kinky boot on the whole wangsty ensemble.

This is what Grant was getting at when he pointed out that, no, there's a shitload of mutants, they actually are superior and they've all got arses sculpted by Michaelangelo himself.

Anyway, why are we all talking about the X-Men when there's EVIL TO AVENGE?!

Jan?
 
 
Uncle Batman
15:46 / 19.10.07
Who wants to see my new gun?



DOES ANYONE WANT TO SEE MY NEW GUN?????










Here it is.
 
 
The Freewheeling Penis
(prev. The Freewheeling Convo)
15:56 / 19.10.07
I wish I had a penis that gun.
 
 
Cowboy Scientist
15:56 / 19.10.07
Hey, Vision, aren't you forgetting your Super Emo Powers?


 
 
Uncle Batman
16:02 / 19.10.07
Why cries the Vision?

He cries for his ever expanding waistline, held in by the cosmic girdle.
 
 
Katherine
16:03 / 19.10.07
You know guys..... you lot could help??

I mean I have been keeping KEG from smashing Barbelith for a few months now...a girl would like some superhero help you know
 
 
The Freewheeling Penis
(prev. The Freewheeling Convo)
16:10 / 19.10.07
Why does Vision cry?

Well, have we ever seen what skin colour he has? We assume it's red because of his face, but what if it's yellow?

Vision has a cleavage-hole.
 
 
Boboss
16:27 / 19.10.07
I CAN CRY!
 
 
Edmund
17:52 / 19.10.07
Well I can chuck my shiled around and it doesn't break, it's indestructable. Well that's what it said on the box but you never know...I had an 'indestructable' flask on 3rd year camp at school, after I'd chucked it on the floor about 50 times it smashed. Fingers crossed though ey!

I don't want anyone to worry by the way, I can do other stuff, i'm not just a shield, I'm Captain America for frack sake.
 
 
Boboss
17:59 / 19.10.07
I CRIED AT YOUR FUNERAL

I HAVE HUMAN EMOTIONS!
 
 
Uncle Batman
18:03 / 19.10.07
You leak oil you stupid robot.

I hid my tears...

behind the mask!
 
  

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