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Inside Waco

Stoatie. Stoatie? STOATIE.

22:08 / 01.02.07

Is anyone else watching this? So far, a few minutes in, it's shaping up to be a good docco.

Chillingly, a survivor was just on saying about Koresh's knowledge of the Bible- "he know those words like he wrote them".

Stoatie. Stoatie? STOATIE.

23:44 / 01.02.07

Looks like it's just me watching... so far this is the second best Waco documentary I've ever seen (and I've seen a lot...)- the best being the classic "Waco- The Rules Of Engagement".

Tsuga

23:56 / 01.02.07

I did see that one, it was a fascinating documentary. The whole story is so sad, kind of like Jonestown. Is this a movie or television program? Does it have anything new to add?

Stoatie. Stoatie? STOATIE.

00:15 / 02.02.07

'twas a documentary with reconstructions. In terms of the actual mechanics of what happened, it wasn't that different to anything else, and was inferior to "Rules...". It DID, however, have extensive interviews with a few survivors (an American woman, an American guy, a British guy, and one of the children, now grown up).

It didn't take much of a stand either way, though it did have Buford (?) saying he knew they handled it wrong, and would do anything to be able to go back and change it.

Mon Oncle Ignatius

00:32 / 02.02.07

I thought it was pretty good too, gripes on blurring the distinction between reconstruction and actuality footage aside (they did put titles on screen sometimes, but obvious footage inside the compound apart, it was sometimes difficult to tell if there was some dramatisation going on in the external scenes).

It would be interesting to see another film concentrating on the aftermath in as much detail - but I suspect that is Rules of Engagement in any case.

Stoatie. Stoatie? STOATIE.

00:37 / 02.02.07

Rules... doesn't have much to do with the aftermath- it's all the siege, and in particular the final assault.

Sniv

12:33 / 02.02.07

Looks like I got another prog to add to my UKNova list, sounds like an interesting film. One thing struck me though Stoatie, is there really such a thing as a 'best' Waco movie? Surely they're all pretty grim? Are the better ones even more grim?

Stoatie. Stoatie? STOATIE.

12:45 / 02.02.07

Well, yes. By "best" I didn't really mean "jolliest and most fun". They're all fairly grim by definition- Rules has more "new" (at the time) information, and more footage and sound recordings. (Though, surprisingly, even that has at least one moment of humour- there's a particular part where the hostage negotiator is talking to one of the guys inside- think it's Sage talking to the guy- in which they are BOTH fairly disdainful of what Sage refers to as the kind of guys who join the FBI because they like jumping out of trucks).

aim for joviality

12:48 / 02.02.07

Chillingly, a survivor was just on saying about Koresh's knowledge of the Bible- "he know those words like he wrote them".

Why is that chilling, please?

Stoatie. Stoatie? STOATIE.

12:51 / 02.02.07

Because after all that went on, she still thinks the guy's the Messiah. That's fairly chilling, surely?

aim for joviality

13:11 / 02.02.07

Oh, okay. I didn't get that sense from what you quoted. I have only the slightest idea what happened at Waco (some christian apolcalyptic cult, the US army attacked and shot/burned them? Wikipedia entry on the Waco Seige, the neutrality of which is apparently disputed, which I have now scanned through).

I don't expect the critical thinking ability of religious believers to necessarily be highly developed in biblical literalist cultures in the United States, though that might be dreadfully prejudiced of me.

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