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Stephen Grasso and English Hoodoo

 
  

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Quantum
16:45 / 16.01.07
I have teh gifz madskillz, let's make the profile and invite loads of people to be friends (that dude from Coldplay, Margaret Thatcher, Silver Ravenwolf..)

More seriously, Grasso's work on Drifting is pretty well founded and seems to be among his more well known stuff, can we discuss people's experiences of trying it out?
 
 
Cat Black (The Wizard's Hat)
19:29 / 16.01.07
Two-headed rude boy said:

It is as if the living mystery religion recognises something of itself in the sleeping mysteries of the landscape, and wants to reach out and make some kind of connection to them.

Yeah, whether or not that is the conscious intention of the pracitioners. During my electic/Gardnerian apprenticeship we visited some local power spots that were inhabited by the Yurok people up until the early 1900s (this is in Northern California). We left offerings for the spirits of the place, but in all honesty we were thinking more of plants, animals, and nature spirits than of dead Indians. At first, anyway. Shortly after this, I had a dream where I and some of my friends went to see an elder Yurok shaman, and he showed us a big wall map titled "YUROK COUNTRY" that showed the whole area I live in shaded in with red. The next day at school I saw a car with a red-and-white bumper sticker that said, you guessed it, "YUROK COUNTRY." Ever since then I have been meaning to leave an offering for the spirits of the native dead at the site where their old village was (it's supposed to be very haunted, btw). Not to mention do some research on the Yurok and their religion. It's one of those things I keep putting off. It's funny how I often ignore the real magic tapping on my shoulder and get all caught up in books (or the internets) instead.

EmberLeo said:

What really comes to my mind is what, exactly, do I get living in California on the land of the native Ohlone, Miwok, and Costanoan people, touching the spirits and ancestors of this land, touching my own ancestors of blood, AND touching the Lwa and Orixa, and the cultural mix that results from the fact that the SF Bay has been a port city attracting people from all over, and the various cultures have all long since affected eachother.

That's California for you, Ember. I live somewhat north of you, in Arcata, but I love the Bay Area. I often find myself wishing that I lived down there with all you other magicians. Not to mention it's warmer. Anyway, I know what you mean -- it's almost impossible to avoid syncretism in this kind of cultural milieu. I hardly know what to do with myself, what with Celtic and Norse ancestry, living on land that originally belonged to the Yurok and Wiyot, and recently I found out that my grandmother has dabbled in Hexcraft (she's from York, PA). Not to mention the age-old question of how, as (basically) a pagan, to honor ancestral lines that have been Christian for about a thousand years. As for the Bay Area, have you read The Fifth Sacred Thing by Starhawk? I'm not recommending it for its literary value, but for its relevance to syncretic Bay Area magical practice, combining elements of Reclaiming trad with native, Spanish, and even Chinese elements... it's been a while since I read it, but there is some cool stuff in there. Reclaiming, I think, has done a lot of inter-cultural work, for example their annual Dia de los Muertos celebration.
 
 
EmberLeo
00:54 / 17.01.07
*grins* Yes, that is indeed California.

Arcata, hm? Near Eureka? My Uncle Tom was mayor of Fortuna until he died a couple years ago, so I sort of know that area. Where is the haunted place you mention?

No, I haven't read the 5th Sacred Thing, but now that you've described it, and it sounds much more immediately applicable to me personally, perhaps I will!

--Ember--
 
 
Cat Black (The Wizard's Hat)
19:34 / 17.01.07
EmberLeo said:

Arcata, hm? Near Eureka? My Uncle Tom was mayor of Fortuna until he died a couple years ago, so I sort of know that area. Where is the haunted place you mention?

Arcata is about 6 mi. north of Eureka. The place I mentioned is Indian Beach in Trinidad, which is about 11 mi. north of Arcata. Indian Beach was the site of the Yurok village of Tsurai, which was supposedly continuously inhabited for about 1000 years, ending in 1916.

Another interesting site in the area is Woodley Island, also known as Indian Island, the axis mundi of the Wiyot and site of a massacre in 1860.

Quantum said:

More seriously, Grasso's work on Drifting is pretty well founded and seems to be among his more well known stuff, can we discuss people's experiences of trying it out?

Yeah, I have experimented with this technique a little bit. Prior to reading Grasso's essay on the drift ("Beneath the Pavement, the Beast," in Generation Hex, I had played around with the Situationist variety of drift, but Grasso seems to take the technique to the next level by bringing in magical intention (e.g. divination or gathering ingredients for spellwork) as well as the crossroads spirits -- making offerings to them and asking them for guidance.

After reading this essay I experimented with using the drift with the magical intention of discovering power spots in my town. I didn't start at a crossroads because part of my intention was to find an appropriate crossroads to work with. It worked -- what I found is a sort of underpass located between the University and the rest of the town. The whole spot is covered with elaborate, primal-looking graffiti art and in the center there is a cherry tree. It definitely has a between-the-worlds feel to it, well-suited to the Crossroads archetype. Maybe I'll post some photos of it later on. Since I found the place I've been wanting to leave an offering for the spirits there, but since I don't know them yet I'm unsure of what to offer. So here's a question for you all: how do I approach the crossroads spirits and get to know them? What kind of offering do you think crossroads spirits would appreciate? Note that I don't work with any particular pantheon at this point in time.

The drift technique also led me to the local cemetery, where I have been spending a lot of time lately. There is a big oak tree in the middle, which has a little hollow in it. I get the feeling that it is the energetic center of the whole graveyard, and I feel inspired to set up a little shrine in the hollow of the tree. Again, though, I don't have any particular deities that I work with right now and I'm not sure what exactly the spirits want me to put in their shrine. I immediately thought that two white candles would be good, and the other day I was in a little antique shop and saw these old wooden crucifixes -- I had a strange urge to buy one and put it in the tree-hollow shrine, but I held off as I wasn't sure whether it would be appropriate (I'm not a Christian and don't have any relationship with Jesus). Any ideas, folks?

Also, has anyone else here worked with this shamanic variety of drift-work?
 
 
Cat Black (The Wizard's Hat)
19:38 / 17.01.07
Oh, I forgot to mention that there are a lot of ravens and crows in the graveyard who tend to congregate in the aforementioned oak tree. They have already given me a bunch of feathers, and I feel like I ought to leave some kind of offering to repay them, or include them some way in the tree-hollow shrine. Any ideas?
 
 
Mordant Carnival
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19:55 / 17.01.07
You might not be a Christian but plenty of the local dead likely are. If you're going to work on their turf my personal feeling is that it's courteous to respect their beliefs. If it helps, think of it like driving an elderly relative to church.

Were these actually crucifixes--ie representations of the crucified Christ on the cross--or just crosses? Bear in mind the the cross is a very old symbol and crops up in plenty of places other than Christianity. If the Christian cross squicks you too much, you could compromise by offering an equal-armed cross instead, since it's a more universal symbol.
 
 
Mordant Carnival
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19:58 / 17.01.07
As for offerings specifically for ravens etc: well, they are carrion birds. You could get some meat to put out for them. They aren't fussy so it doesn't have to be flash. If you live near a proper butcher's you could probably aquire some scraps like you might buy for pet food.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
12:11 / 18.01.07
I did quite a bit of "drifting" when I lived in Leeds a few years ago - and still do it now and again in London. I don't usually do it with any particular goal in mind - in fact it's quite a relief to get away from conscious goals & formulations, and just wander around, being responsive to whatever surprises and associations get thrown my way. Sometimes, if I find a space that I like, I'll go back to it in different seasons and times of the day and night, just to feel how it changes, how it's used by people, how different it feels at night. Talking to the "regulars" (as opposed to people just passing through) who use the spaces can be interesting too, and occassionally spurs me to go and find out about the history of a place. Occasionally I'll find a "significant object" - the head of a child's doll, or a handset from a seventies' telephone, and let it "lead" me to where it wants to be taken. Or take them home for my magical toybox. Use them, discard them later on another drift or pass them on to friends.
 
 
rosie x
14:38 / 18.01.07
So here's a question for you all: how do I approach the crossroads spirits and get to know them? What kind of offering do you think crossroads spirits would appreciate? Note that I don't work with any particular pantheon at this point in time.


A good start is to find a crossroads which you feel a spiritual affinity with, and is close to your home, so that you may visit it regularly and communicate with the spirits who reside there. Repetition is the key, as is proximity; if your place of working is on the other side of town, it may be difficult to get there on a regular basis. Ideally, it should be a crossroads through which you pass each day as you go about your business. I’m fortunate enough to have such a crossroads on my doorstep; though there are several in both the neighbourhood and the city at large which I feel an affinity with, and visit for different purposes, or on various occasions.

Difficult for me to speculate how you’d go about this sort of thing without a relationship with one of the many well known guardians of the crossroads, which can be found in a variety of pantheons and spiritual histories. Papa Legba, Elegua, Exu, Hermes, Mercury, Pomba Gira, Hekate, Odin, Papa LaBas, St. Peter, St. Antony, St. Lazarus, The Man (or sometimes Lady…) in Black, and The Devil are just a handful of them; I’m sure their numbers are unfathomable. Besides, most crossroads spirits are tricksters, and can appear in a variety of guises as suits their purpose. It can all be a bit baffling…

I come from a rather unorthodox Voodoo tradition myself. New Orleans was my childhood home, and influenced my beliefs powerfully. I cut my teeth on the crossroads of Harmony and Annunciation Streets, which can be found in a rough neighbourhood of uptown New Orleans known as the Irish Channel. That is where I first encountered Legba, who has been my guide and guardian since, although sometimes a tough teacher, and always the consummate trickster.

I moved abroad in 2000, and now live in London, which has been a good home to me these past few years. Practicing Voodoo on English soil definitely lends a different flavour to my work, and to the encounters I have with spirits of the city. Yet Legba is still present with me…my travelling companion. It would not be the first time that he’s crossed the Atlantic, and I am certain that I wasn’t the first to pour rum for him in my quiet, South East London neighbourhood.

Thus when I approach the crossroads, that liminal space where matter and spirit intersect, I tend to have a good idea of who I’m going to talk to, and what I’m going to ask from him. Favourite offerings include rum, whiskey, black coffee, tobacco and cigars, silver coins, dark chocolate, coconut, red and black sweets, dark beer, ginger soda, coca cola, yams, candy canes, roasted corn or popcorn, bananas, gumbo, cornbread, jambalaya, roast chicken or bones from the local butchers.

I generally make offerings along with a sort of opening liturgy, both spoken and sung, partially in English and partially in Creole. A request for the gates of spirit to be opened, for the barriers to be removed. After I’ve shown my respect, I’ll often have a conversation with Legba, tell him my heart…the reasons for which I’ve approached him. It’s good to speak clearly and with confidence in the presence of the spirits; I wouldn’t recommend being at a loss for words as it’s liable to attract the wrong kind of attention.

My business for the evening might just be a simple gesture of love for Legba, and gratitude for his blessing and protection. Or I might have a specific favour to request, or a message to be conveyed, or a mojo to be empowered. Different every time…

Once the gates of spirit are open, it can be interesting to simply stick around and remain attentive to what’s happening around you. I often take note of songs overheard on car stereos as they pass, or messages written on commercial vehicles. It’s not often I’ll be interrupted by humans, but when I am it’s always fairly interesting. Once, after falling out a bit with Legba, I went to the crossroads to make the necessary apologies and renew my faith. Interestingly enough, a middle aged African man with a walking stick came up to me and propositioned me for sex, his exact words were “So are you back in business tonight love?”. As I’d been magically dormant for some months, I took this as good nod from Legba, and told the man that indeed I was back in business, but unfortunately not the kind he was after. He took a long look at my little pile of offerings on the ground, and the votive candle and bottle of rum, and seemed to get it. He then smiled politely and tipped his hat and walked away.


So as you can see, it’s a bit difficult to imagine how I would relate to the crossroads outside of this framework, though I think it could be adapted for relating to spirits from other traditions than Voodoo. For instance, Hekate has a strong presence in London, and I spoke recently with a witch who had been contacting her at his local 3 way crossroads, speaking out loud, leaving offerings, working magic under her presence. It was the first time that he had taken his magic out into the city, and he commented on the many ways in which the new practice had deepened his relationship with its history and character.

Take a bit of time perhaps, and have a think about what you want to achieve magically by working with the power of the crossroads. Whose door are you going to knock on? Who are you going to introduce yourself to? And what do you plan to say when they answer?
 
 
Mordant Carnival
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15:28 / 18.01.07
That's really amazing, rosie x.

it’s a bit difficult to imagine how I would relate to the crossroads outside of this framework, though I think it could be adapted for relating to spirits from other traditions than Voodoo.

I do that. It's interesting, because it's at once an adaptation and a return. In the NT lore there are records of people leaving gifts of treasure as well as food and drink at crossroads, mostly for Odin, I think.

I use crossroads a fair bit for working with some of my Guys. Three- and four-way. For Odin, I'm more likely to use a 3-way crossroads for various reasons, either a 6-armed meeting of 3 roads (like the 'snowflake' form of Hagalaz) or a Y-shape. Visiting Odin at a 3-way crossroads is an actual Old Thing to do, attested to in Northern-European folklore (although I can't recall the provenance off the top of my head). For Loki I would tend to use a 4-armed Gebo-rune crossroads.

I take a dollop of the Person's preferred beverage, and maybe some token to leave. A silver-coloured coin, maybe, scratched with a suitable rune, a string of beads, or some item I've picked up on drift like t the t mentions. I might also pack my drum or my runeset, not to use them so much as for the symbolism they have for me, or maybe pick a single rune out of the set to meditate upon/ask about. I will frequently take one of my Interdimensional Comminucations Devices too--it might look like a broken mobile phone or a discarded toy walkie-talkie to you, but I know an Interdimensional Comminucations Device when I see it.

I go out after it gets dark (the new day begins at sundown in my trad, so to speak to Odin, for example, I would probably go out late on Tuesday night). Walk to one of my power spots and hang around. I prefer either places which are totally isolated, such as two earth tracks crossing in a wild wood, or very open and well-trafficked, like a central square somewhere with roads leading off on all sides. I sit down on a bus bench or a low wall, say Hi, invite Whoever to be present. Might stay there for a good long while, just letting my mind wander, occasionally sipping my share of the booze or tipping some out onto the ground.

Sometimes very little happens. You might pick up a few sensory impressions, see or hear things that don't really register at the time but make sense later on. Other times you might have all kinds of freaky stuff take place, like the night when I was walking to my preferred Odin contact point and as I walked down the road there was this rising wind and all the streetlights went out one by one as I approached.* Sort of like rolling out the red carpet, heh. But mostly it's more subtle. A sense of connection. A nod as you pass. Paying your subs to the club.


*No kidding, this actually happened. The electrics in my city are in a frightful state.
 
 
Grandma loves children
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21:38 / 19.01.07
I did quite a bit of "drifting" when I lived in Leeds a few years ago - and still do it now and again in London. I don't usually do it with any particular goal in mind

Well, three questions about this, I suppose, to do with being teh magix flanneur in general.

1)I used to wander about London aimlessly all the time - I was in the insurance game at this point so I didn't have much option, except to retire, but, having to routinely go to zone three on the Northern line to meet the clients, in all these strange areas one wouldn't normally visit, Arnos Grove etc (plus at the weekend there was always acid about the place, and during the week, pot,) I had the feeling, after a while, that there was a hidden level of something or other underneath the surface of the city. I had not read 'The Invisibles' at this point, honest. I should do that sort of thing more often actually, but still; I'm not sure how you'd go about going on a walk through anywhere with a defined goal in mind, at least if you're after a definite answer. So ...

2)Aside from being stoned, not that I'm dismissing that as a method, what's the best way to prepare for this kind of thing? And what distinguishes it from your average journey? Is it simply intent?

3)For people who've been doing this for a while, does London/Leeds/Manchester/wherever seem darker than it used to, say, seven or eight years ago?
 
 
brother george
16:36 / 20.01.07
Hi everyone!. Some years back, before I start my systematical trainining in ceremonial magick, I used to do alot of drifting in my neighbourhood, beeing unemployed and all. I recall one time where I just went out and asked to find a 'power place', since I was feeling completely lost, my wits being dimmed, etc.
I ended up walking upwards, towards a mountain, close to my old high school, where the teachers used to take us for small excursions (Athens in general is not flat at all). As I was walking I was progressively remembering that old route which I had forgotten for at least 15 years.
When I finally arrived, walking past the first gate of the mountain which lead to a platform, I discovered that there was a public gym with all sorts of people and young ones.
Following the road upwards, there was the second gate (which was closed) that leaded to a place I had completely forgotten and did not know it existed. It was where the teachers would leave us to play, since it was filled with basketball courts, pinetrees and green, wooden pic-nic tables, giant pyramids made from strong red elastic rope which you climbed like spiderman when you were little, big plastic slides, swings and other assorted installations.

I wanted to go there and revisit the place, but I hesitated as the gate seemed closed. I turned my head and saw (in my horror) a bully from my highschool walking towards me, passing me and getting in his car. Probably he was returning from the gym, he did not even recognized me. Like the place, I haven't seen him in 15 years and by then I was trembling and shaking and decided to just turn around and walk straight home.
I remember having dreams of him as my Shadow, but I`m not sure if it was before or afterwards. My journals are silent for this matter.

A couple of hours later in the afternoon, an emotional core bursted, memories of highschool flooded me which I did not remember up to that point and for 1 hour I thought that I was bathing in the fountain of youth which was this place. I cried like a 12 year old again.

As of now I have not tried visiting the place again. I've branched off to another tangent, which is equally wonderfull and mysterious -- barking hebrew in my bedroom and all that sort of funny business.

P.S: Sorry for my first post beeing that long!
 
 
rosie x
14:01 / 15.02.07
This is copied from the Treadwell's website...

19 February 2007 (Monday)
The Doctor is In
Everything you Wanted to Know about Visiting a Hoodoo Doctor
Lisa Mead and Stephen Grasso
£5
7.15 for 7.30pm start

To inaugurate their hoodoo doctor surgery, opening for business at Treadwell’s next month, tonight’s speakers will give an introduction to the rôle of the professional magician, ancient and modern. The practice of professional magic has a long history in all cultures, from the stone age shaman fixing cures for the tribe, to the hoodoo workers of the American south tying mojo bags and working conjure for clients.

Professional magic thrived in England in the period following the Reformation, with cunning folk plying their trade up and down the country; but by the nineteenth century it had slid from view. Now it’s back. A doctor administers to the survival needs of the species, and it is a rôle as relevant to contemporary London in the twenty-first century as it was to our distant ancestors.
 
 
XK
14:19 / 15.02.07
To inaugurate their hoodoo doctor surgery, opening for business at Treadwell’s next month, tonight’s speakers will give an introduction to the rôle of the professional magician, ancient and modern.

Congrats to them both! This makes me terribly happy to hear. Treadwell's is a fabulous place to hang out the ol' shingle.
 
 
rosie x
11:44 / 19.02.07
Talk at Treadwell's tonight!

*bump*
 
 
Mordant Carnival
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16:56 / 20.02.07
How did it go?
 
 
trouser the trouserian
21:16 / 20.02.07
Well Mordant, there was a rather shifty-looking geezer in a parka hanging about, but on the whole I had a thoroughly pleasant evening, knocking back the Chablis and chatting to various members of the fancy.
 
 
EmberLeo
08:58 / 21.02.07
That sounds nifty. Wish I'd been in the area for it. Or perhaps I just wish somebody would present such a thing at PantheaCon at a time I can attend it...

--Ember--
 
 
rosie x
14:27 / 14.05.07
*bump* as Stephen is giving a talk tonight...details below...

Magic at the Crossroads
Stephen Grasso
£5
7.15 for 7.30pm start

The crossroads is the magical point of ingress and egress between the worlds, par excellence. Virtually every culture in the world recognizes the crossroads as a holy site associated with magic, witchcraft and strange transitions into the beyond. Tonight's speaker looks at the mysteries of the crossroads as they appear in a range of cultures (including voodoo, santeria, Western myth and European superstition) as well as relating some of the insights that come from his own experiences. Stephen Grasso, who hails from Newcastle, is a practising magician, a voudonist, is a writer -- and has a book coming out later this year. His essays have appeared in numerous periodicals and Generation Hex (2004, Disinformation Press).
 
  

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