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Questioning the Holocaust

 
 
zoemancer
05:10 / 22.03.06
Let's talk about the "official" story of the holocaust. A friend of mine poses some very interesting points for our consideration below...


1) Why did Elie Wiesel and countless other Jews survive the Holocaust if it was the intention of the Third Reich to eliminate every Jew they got there hands on? Elie was a prisoner for several years; other Jews survived even longer. Most of these "survivors" were ordinary people who did not have any unique expertise that the Germans could have exploited for their war effort. There was no logical reason for them to be kept alive. The very existence of more than a million survivors even today, some sixty years later, contradicts one of the basic components of the holocaust i.e. that the Germans had a policy to eliminate every Jew they got their hands on.

2) Why is their no mention of the Holocaust in Churchillâ·s six volume History of the Second World War or the wartime memoirs of either De Gaulle or Eisenhower or any of the other lesser luminaries who wrote about the Second World War. Keep in mind all these were written years after the war ended and thus after the holocaust had been allegedly proven by the Nuremberg Trials? With regard to the Holocaust, the silence of these " cognoscenti " is deafening!

3) What was an inmate infirmary (and a brothel) doing in Auschwitz if in fact it was a death camp?

4) Why would the Germans round up Jews from their far flung empire, thereby tying up large numbers of personnel and rolling stock, while fighting a world war on two fronts to deliver people to "death camps" hundreds of miles away who were then executed upon arrival - wouldn't a bullet on the spot have appealed to legendary German sense of efficiency?

5) Why after sixty years have historians been unable to come up with a single German document that points to a holocaust? Should we believe the likes of Raul Hilburg that in the place of written orders there was an "incredible meeting of the minds" by the literally tens of thousands of people who would have had to coordinate their actions in order to carry out an undertaking of this magnitude.

6) How come it is still insisted upon that six million Jews were killed when the official Jewish death toll at Auschwitz, the flagship of the Holocaust gulag, has been reduced from an immediate post war figure of 3 million, to a figure of somewhat less than one million? Why do many respond to this observation by saying, " what's the difference whether it's six million or one million". The answer is that the difference is five million. Another difference is that saying so can get you three years in an Austrian jail...just ask David Irving!

7) All of Germany's wartime codes were compromised including the one used to send daily reports from Auschwitz to Berlin. The transcripts of these messages make no mention of mass executions or even remotely suggest a genocidal program in progress. Furthermore it has been insisted that the Germans used a kind of euphemistic code when discussing their extermination program of the Jews e.g. final solution, special treatment, resettlement, etc. Why was it necessary for them to use such coded euphemisms when talking to one another unless they thought their codes had been cracked by the Allies?

8) The water table at Auschwitz lies a mere 18 inches below the surface which makes claims of huge burning pits for the disposal of tens of thousands of victims untenable.

9) Initially claims were made that mass executions in homicidal gas chambers had taken place in camps located within the boundaries of the old Reich e.g. Dachau, Bergen-Belsen. "Evidence" to that effect was every bit as compelling as what was offered for other camps, located in occupied Poland, yet without explanation in the early sixties we were told that this was not the case and that all the "death camps" were located in the East i.e. Poland outside (some would say conveniently) of the probing eyes of western scholars.

10) No one has been able to reconcile the eyewitness accounts that personnel entered the gas chambers after twenty minutes without any protective gear and the fact that Zyclon B was a "time release" fumigant that would have had a lethal capability for at least another twenty-four hours. And that even after twenty-four hours the corpses would have themselves remained sufficiently contaminated by the hydrogen cyanide gas that they would have had the capacity to kill anyone who touched them who were not wearing protective gear.

11) Why do we no longer hear claims that the Germans manufactured soap, lamp

shades and riding britches from the bodies of dead Jews - could it be that in the light of modern forensics and DNA knowledge these claims are totally untenable?

12) Why do we no longer hear claims that huge numbers of Jews were exterminated in massive steam chambers or electrocuted on special grids - "evidence" of this was presented at Nuremberg - evidence that sent men to the gallows.

14) Elie Wiesel has been described as "the Apostle of Remembrance" yet in his memoir, "Night" which deals his stay at Auschwitz he makes no mention of the now infamous homicidal gas chambers. Isn't this a bit like one of the Gospels making no mention of the Cross?

15) Virtually every survivor who was examined at Auschwitz says that he or she was examined by the infamous Dr. Mengele.

16) According to survivor testimony, hundreds of thousands of Jews were executed at Treblinka and then buried in mass graves in the surrounding area. Why is it that extensive sonar probing of these burial grounds reveals that this alleged final resting place for Holocaust victims has remained undisturbed since at least the last ice age?

17) "Proof" of the holocaust rest primarily on survivor testimony; there little if any hard evidence. The best of this has been described by Jean Claude Pressac as merely "criminal traces". Even Judge Grey who presided at the Irving-Lipstadt Trial commented that he was surprised the evidence pointing to the Holocaust was "extremely thin". To paraphrase Arthur Butz, "a crime of this magnitude would have left a mountain of evidence" - where is it? There was more hard evidence against OJ Simpson at his trial and he was FOUND INNOCENT!

18) Why has Holocaust Revisionism been criminalized in at least eleven countries - what other historic truth needs the threat of prison or the destruction of one's career to maintain itself. Should someone be sent to prison for expressing skepticism about the official Chinese claim that they suffered thirty-five million dead in World War II.

19) Why do the court historians insist that "denying the Holocaust" is like denying slavery or saying the earth is flat when it is nothing of the sort. The leading Revisionists are first rate scholars who hold advanced degrees from the world's leading universities. Is there anyone comparable among those who say the world is flat or that slavery never existed?

20) Promoters of the Holocaust have expressed concerns about the remembering the holocaust once the last survivors die. Why haven't Civil War historians expressed similar concerns since the last survivor of that conflict died in 1959.

21) Survivors of the holocaust have testified that smoke billowed from the crematoriums as they consumed the bodies of murdered victims - some eyewitnesses even claimed they could detect national origins by the color of the smoke. How can this be reconciled with the fact that properly operating crematoriums do not produce smoke of any color?

22) According to the official version of the Holocaust hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were rounded up in mid 1944 and sent to Auschwitz where most were gassed immediately upon arrival and their bodies were disposed of by burning in huge open air pits using railroad ties and gasoline. Why is that there is no evidence of these huge funerary pyres in the high resolution surveillance photos taken by Allied aircraft who were over flying the camp on a daily basis during this time period. Furthermore, why have no remains been found, since open pit burning, even when gasoline is used, generates insufficient heat to totally consume a body?

23) All of the liberated camps were littered with corpses; is there a single autopsy report or any other forensic evidence that shows that even a single one of these deaths was a consequence of poison gas?

24) The death toll for the Holocaust relies exclusively on population statistics provided by Jewish sources; has any independent demographic study been produced that shows that approximately six million Jews were "missing" at the end of the war.

25) Why do the wartime inspection reports of camps made by the International Red Cross contain no references to mass executions - it strains credulity that such monumental crimes could be hidden. The only explanations are that either these crimes were not occurring or that the Red Cross was complicit in a cover up.

26) Why has there been no effort to respond to the Leuchter Report?

27) "The Holocaust was technologically possible because it happened ". Why is this intellectually bankrupt argument, which turns scholarship on its head, considered by the promoters of the Holocaust as historical truth, considered a sufficient response to the mounting Revisionist evidence to the contrary?

28) What other historical truths rely to the extent that the holocaust does on so-called "eye witness" testimony - and why have none of these witnesses ever been cross examined?

29) According to the official version of the Holocaust, the Jews remained ignorant of their fate until the very end so skillful were their Nazis murderers in deceiving their victims. How can this ignorance be reconciled with the fact that the Jews have historically been as a group, the most literate and highly informed people on the planet with legendary access to the highest echelons of government.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
06:02 / 22.03.06
 
 
matthew.
06:18 / 22.03.06
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

I have nothing of value to add to this thread.

Other than,

fuck you.
 
 
matthew.
06:21 / 22.03.06
That was a little harsh. Sorry. You know what's also harsh, though? What is going to happen to this thread when Haus wakes up or when Flyboy swoops in on this shit.
 
 
Baz Auckland
06:25 / 22.03.06
Ah, to be a Head Shop moderator....
 
 
Stoat-ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH
06:29 / 22.03.06
I don't even know where to begin here. So I think I'll leave it to the HS mods for the morning.
 
 
matthew.
06:30 / 22.03.06
Jews have historically been as a group, the most literate and highly informed people on the planet

By your own "logic," I guess you're not a Jew, zoemancer.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
06:36 / 22.03.06
Let's talk about the "official" story of the holocaust. A friend of mine poses some very interesting points for our consideration below...
Aw man, too bad we can't ban your friend. You'll do.
 
 
matthew.
06:38 / 22.03.06
I'm sorry. I'm not engaging with your ideas, here, and for that I do sincerely apologize. I'm not a mod. Full disclosure. I have to ask, though... what do you expect from posting this particularily touchy subject? What do you think will actually come from posting this? Barbelith is pretty clear about its stance on racism in the Wiki.

Here is an idea of why I'm posting the nasty things and why in a few hours time when the London 'lithers wake up, the shit will hit the fan.



You are now in the middle of the vortex. You can escape. It is in your hands.
 
 
grant
06:47 / 22.03.06
Wikipedia article: Examination of Holocaust denial.

zoemancer: you'll find pretty much everything you need to know there. This thread is already toxic and will likely be deleted, or at the very least locked, in less than five hours -- whenever the UK Head Shop mods wake up.
 
 
Mordant Carnival
07:11 / 22.03.06
This is absolutely disgusting, zoemancer. I imagined you were merely uninformed but this points to something a lot more sinister than mere ignorance.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
07:40 / 22.03.06
I've been trying to decide for the last hour whether to even dignify this with a response since it will presumably get the everloving shit deleted out of it in the next couple hours but my stomach literally clenched when I was reading the couple of paragraphs I managed to get through.

Read the article grant linked you to. Think about it for awhile. Then go buy yourself a plane ticket to DC. Go to the Mall and find the Holocaust Memorial Museum. Go inside the museum and make your way through it; there will probably be a guided tour, which will be informative. At some point, if it hasn't changed too much and if memory serves, you'll come to a wall that's maybe waist high. Behind it, low to the ground so kids can't see, are video monitors showing black and white footage of medical experiments in concentration camps. WATCH THE FUCKING VIDEOS for as long as it takes you to realize just how fucked up and disgusting everything you're saying really is.
 
 
Mordant Carnival
07:43 / 22.03.06
Okay. As grant has already linked to the Wikipedia article, I'm proposing a lock as requested in Policy.
 
 
SMS
07:46 / 22.03.06
We love our Head Shop moderators.
 
 
*
07:53 / 22.03.06
Okay, yes. I volunteer. Go ahead, sign me up.

I wasn't going to— I have a life, and I need to get my schoolwork done— but this is the last straw.

(That is, if Haus will still back me after that PM.)
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
08:26 / 22.03.06
Phew, got in before the thread is locked. Just want to add: Zoemancer: Fuck you, get off this board. That is all.
 
  
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