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All Acting Regiment

19:23 / 14.02.06

I'm interested in hallucinogenic drugs. I'm also a complete novice. Should I get into them or shouldn't I, and if, why, and if not, why not? following this, where to get stuff from, and what to do and what not to do. All answers welcome.

19:29 / 14.02.06

go to erowid.org and browse.
they have stories.

Smith & Papers
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19:38 / 14.02.06

If you feel you must do them, I suggest you favour magic mushrooms over acid, mostly because in my experience shrooms produce a more comfortable effect...acid's a dirty feeling.

As your attorney I recommend you make yourself mushroom tea. This will allow you to take a half-gram - a relatively low dosage - and maximize the effects and the length of the effects. Just stick them in some boiled water to steep. Eat them after you drink. If you're doing them with other people, I've found that even numbers are advisable, as it can seem natural to pair off with one other person to share a trip with. But I've also experimented with social trips. Bring a bottle of water, maybe a walkman with some tunes, and go on an adventure. Be prepared to be stuck in roughly the same area of town from beginning to end, becaue the adventure's mostly in your head.

That said, prepare for gut-rut and maybe some sweating. Not all parts of your trip will be even and cozy. Don't do them if you're feeling at all anxious, obviously, and be prepared to feel the effects quite quickly after you take them...it can sneak up on you, but you'll start out feeling a little hyperactive and then whoa, hey, there's inner space. Make sure, if it's possible, that someone knows what you're doing.

All Acting Regiment

20:19 / 14.02.06

Has anyone ever had any bad experiences with drug dealers that they'd be happy to talk about?

Better Be Ready
(prev. Dead Mall Ninja)

20:30 / 14.02.06

I'm still alive and never got arrested, so...no

Tuna Ghost will work for dope

20:47 / 14.02.06

Has anyone ever had any bad experiences with drug dealers that they'd be happy to talk about?

I've been ripped off a few times (if you're going to buy LSD, make sure it is liquid and not blotter, because the latter is too easy to fake), but that's about it. A guy once took my money and gave me crack instead of the weed I had asked for, then drove away. Things like that happen sometimes (around here, anyway).

Anyway, stuff like shrooms, mescaline and LSD have always been my favorite banned substances. If you're interested, go ahead and give it a shot. Erowid can help you with the proper doses.

You should probably start with shrooms. I don't know how available they are in your area, but 'round these parts they've always been easier to get than acid or peyote, and it's a lot easier on the brain.

Tryphena Absent

20:48 / 14.02.06

No, if I bought at all I bought through other people. I once drove a dealer to a petrol station though and I didn't like her very much.

I have pmed you because I am now a pure and virtuous human being and try not to air my dirty past in public too often.

20:50 / 14.02.06

if you're gonna do shrooms, be sure to have access to a bicycle, and hide the skateboard

*beforehand, never hide things while shrooming

Tryphena Absent

20:51 / 14.02.06

I really have to add though, just because...

stuff like shrooms, mescaline and LSD have always been my favorite banned substances.

I think hallucingoens are really fucking boring. You lose hours of your life in what might as well be suspended animation and there's none of the cheery jumping. More cheery jumping!

Better Be Ready
(prev. Dead Mall Ninja)

21:03 / 14.02.06

Each to their own. Legba, where do you live: (the interrogation mark in the PC i'm using is not working, so...) Can't you get access to naturally growing muswhroom: The best ones grow in cow shit and are thus free and require no dealer. At least where I live, don't know how things work wherever you are

Tryphena Absent

21:06 / 14.02.06

Isn't the season like, way past sunset?

All Acting Regiment

21:17 / 14.02.06

Also not enough open land within sensible distance. I mean, there's always the pennines but they're al ong way to go if there's no certainty of finding anything.

Better Be Ready
(prev. Dead Mall Ninja)

21:19 / 14.02.06

Well, probably. I'm in the South hemisphere, mind you, so we're just about close to the end of mushroom season, still got a few weeks to go.

In fact, I'd like to know, how does that work in Europe ans the US: Same as here: (i.e. just go to the country side and look for them in a sunny hot day after a rainy nigth...)

Tuna Ghost will work for dope

21:20 / 14.02.06

I think hallucingoens are really fucking boring. You lose hours of your life in what might as well be suspended animation and there's none of the cheery jumping. More cheery jumping!

I see. Apparently your favorite drugs are crazy pills, because you, ma'am, are crazy.

21:21 / 14.02.06

if you're going to buy LSD, make sure it is liquid and not blotter, because the latter is too easy to fake

Mind you, blotters are so cheap that this shouldn't matter a toss. I've never seen liquid for sale in the UK. I think you're at your dodgiest buying in street or club, so if you can avoid these you might be alright. Try shrooms though, if you must. They were widely available at cafes up and down the country until recently, maybe still are, so that'd be you're best bet. Whatever, just be safe, nice environment, people you trust, get your fave tunes set up and get some nice food for when you come down. Shrooms have the benefit of lasting half the length of time as well.

Another thing: Initially at least, I wouldn't project too much meaning into the experience. Lots of people rant and rave about the change potential of such drugs, but I think this is rarely met with, certainly not unless you get quite into them. They can be that amazing that you'll want to see them in this light. I'd just stay a bit relaxed about doing so until you have more experience and have seen the long term effects. Not to say they can't do this, but most trips to the heart of sun, piloted from your sofa, don't do so. So I'd just apply a pinch of salt here.

21:22 / 14.02.06

Why break the law?
A little research will get you things that are perfectly legal and you will be able to judge for yourself what you desire to explore. It depends what you want. Different drugs have very different effects.

Take note of mindset, dose and setting. I can`t do anything about the mindset and the dose...but setting.. initially indoors with comfort music, complex things to look at, a movable handheld light, Jelly or playdough, a tub full of water ( set it up before hand so you can see light interacting with ripples) , lego, some more challenging complex music on an easy to use player (set it up before hand so you only have to press play...goood luck), access to the outside world (clouds, trees, stars, other people).

Once you`ve done that and got the hang of it (or decided it`s a waste of time ). Plan a trip where you simply lie down with your eyes closed in a quiet place.

Then you can decide for yourself if this is further worth exploring...I`m hoping not. But you might find some usefull tools.

21:25 / 14.02.06

How's your mental health, generally, Legba?

21:27 / 14.02.06

Oh yeah, and Nina's talking rubbish. Sorry hon

You might want to read DM Turner on safety and so forth. He's a man who took more psychedelics tha n, well, anyone. Bar maybe Tim Leary. But he kind of backs up my last point. Apparently, he was looking into initation into Wicca before he died as he still hadn't accessed the emotional side of himself to his satisfaction.

He drowned in the bath after ingesting ketamine. Various people have suggested foul play. Whatever. There's another warning there - be safe. It's kind of like bungee jumping but with your mind.

Stoatie. Stoatie? STOATIE.
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21:30 / 14.02.06

That's another issue- a few years ago I used to practically live on acid- literally twice a week (give it three days for the tolerance to wear off then take some more) for a couple of years. Not sure if that contributed to my current problems (clinical depression and a drink problem) but it certainly didn't help. (Come to think of it, it could have been the speed...) I think moderation may be the key.

Incidentally, has anyone tried these?

Usually, I know, legal highs are a load of old cock, but I did a bunch of these at Bug Jam last year and by crikey, they actually work!

21:34 / 14.02.06

The most readily available dissociative psychedelic drug is dextromethorphan. 15 mg are present in a single robitussin gelcap. For a 200 lb. man such as myself, 130 mg will give you a euphoric buzz, 230 mg will give you a strong intoxication, 690 mg will put you in a hallucinogenic state, and around 1365 mg will put you in the highly hallucinogenic dissociative state. Make sure that the ONLY active ingredient in the product you choose is dextromethorphan. Anything else has the potential to kill you.

Tryphena Absent

21:35 / 14.02.06

Oh yeah, and Nina's talking rubbish. Sorry hon

Yeah well, you try staring at a load of gaps and feeling like someone tried to tie you to the floor with lead and tell me you like poxy hallucinogens. It was quite comforting but not really what I wanted to do with my life.

No, seriously, I just don't respond to them in the same way as most people seem to. I never took the heavy stuff because my reaction to lighter hallucinogens wasn't the same as anyone else's and I'm talking a few other people in a room merrily seeing pretty things and trying to describe the void that is a cream wall to them while you can barely speak.

That's why I recommend taking other things first, sometimes drugs just aren't the description that everyone's been giving to you and you don't know until you find out from practical experience.

All Acting Regiment

21:43 / 14.02.06

As far as I'm concerned, mental health is as good as, you know, can be expected; though I am aware of the potential pitfalls. I'm a very calm person.

If I looked at something quite visually extreme, like, say, a Heironymous Bosch painting or listened to, say, Sun Ra, during this, would that be a bad idea?

21:43 / 14.02.06

It's just your characterisation of them as boring I disagreed with. Potentially terrifying and hellish, yes. Boring, no.

21:47 / 14.02.06

It probably won't make any difference. Everything will sort of look like a Bosch painting anyway. Tangerines will look like your mother. Roof rafters like beautiful Italian girls. The music of the Doors will look like steel trellis work and Sun Ra will sound like the taste of grass.

Stoatie. Stoatie? STOATIE.
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21:47 / 14.02.06

They can get boring with overuse... but they certainly don't start out that way. When I stopped taking acid it was actually fairly "trippy" just rediscovering my normal perceptions.

Smith & Papers
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22:05 / 14.02.06

Legba: If I looked at something quite visually extreme, like, say, a Heironymous Bosch painting or listened to, say, Sun Ra, during this, would that be a bad idea?

If you have any music at all, it seems to be good thing. I don't think I've ever had a problem with music while on shrooms, even the heavy stuff. And I seem to recall really enjoying the Frank Quitely New X-Men artwork with Cassie Nova trying to kill all mutant minds. Odd night, that one. I tried to finish up a Russian film paper before the drugs kicked in and WHOOMP. I had to redo the whole thing the next day and it was better for it.

Softer, loungey music is advisable. Rinocerise is a good example, and I admit I'm curious what the Magnetic Fields would sound like...Simon & Garfunkel, sadly, was my best musical mushroom experience.

Warning: running while under the influence of shrooms does not mean your are as fast as the Flash, but good on you if you can make it over the fence...

Also, riding the bus is a bit like being aboard a space ship, but the paranoia can make it feel a bit like an alien abduction....

22:14 / 14.02.06

As far as I'm concerned, mental health is as good as, you know, can be expected

As expected of what. Someone with no history what so ever of depression, anxiety or any psychological imbalance? The average person? The average Barbeloid?

Thing about hallucinogens is that people are far more likely to tell you all about their positive experiences than people who have had very negative experiences are to recount those.
FWIW, I have had some very very enjoyable acid and mushroom experiences, but I've also had some incredibly dreadful ones that still haunt me. Overall, for me, the good wasn't worth the bad. But YM will almost certainly V.

Smith & Papers
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22:23 / 14.02.06

I mostly stopped because it can put your body through a bit of a ringer, and I didn't like the mornings after...sleep schedule all fucked, you've lost a night, you feel sweaty and off-balanced and haggard. It loses its shine after a while, like anything. Same reason I'm cutting back on the booze.

22:29 / 14.02.06

There are a lot of legal things that are not worth exploring. ( good chance PEP above is one of them).

I was more talking about ayahuasca and salvia etc...things well worth listening to but never ever gonna become Street.

22:36 / 14.02.06

Clean the house first, because you're going to see every speck of dirt.

Stoatie. Stoatie? STOATIE.
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22:37 / 14.02.06

( good chance PEP above is one of them)

Seriously, they're pretty cool. You need to take more than you would real Es, but the effect is damn similar. I was really quite surprised.

23:05 / 14.02.06

OK...as far as PEP is concerned...I`ll put my money where my mouth is..review on this thread. You can see how it looks like every other spammed wonderdrug from the link you provided I hope.

23:09 / 14.02.06

On the Bosch painting thing, it really just matters what you're in the mood for. Depending on how you feel at the moment and what your environment offers you, you could get a better response from Superman comics or a set of encyclopedias. It's more internal that what you're seeing, at any rate.

Nina: we all want you to take more this time.

Stoatie. Stoatie? STOATIE.
(prev. Stoatie's power level is >9000)

23:19 / 14.02.06

You can see how it looks like every other spammed wonderdrug from the link you provided I hope.

Oh, totally. Having run out of drugs at Bug Jam, a mate suggested we buy some. I was all "no, it's gonna be bollocks- just look at it, for fuck's sake". He talked me into it, and a couple of hours later we were back to clean them out buying them for the rest of our group.

As I say, you need to take more- probably not particularly cost-effective, but the effect is very MDMA.

23:22 / 14.02.06

agreed about 'shrooms. as long as you plan on it, prepare and have friends nearby, it's the best. also no hangover.

prescription meds mixed to suit you can provide a good daily layer as well. say, for instance, if someone were to take something like percocet and soma along with one of those double red bull cans, that would give you a fine piece of psychotropic indulgence, altho it might make you grow to despise anyone who happens to walk in your office or up to your desk right around peak time for fucking with your head and pulling you down off the top. just as a for instance i'm saying.

acid is way too iffy. also i dont recommend nutmeg tea, altho i hear that it's great if you serve it correctly. but it done wrong is all kinds of bad. 7 kinds of very bad.

if you practice enough, you might get to the point where you can induce in yourself regular sleep paralysis, which could be described as bad hallucinations, if you're really into that stuff.

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