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Tookie Dies Tonight

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Tryphena Absent

13:53 / 14.12.05

There's a fairly large gulf of meaning between "the citizens" and "some of the citizens." Can you honestly not see that?

I see it, I just don't think it means anything in everyday political terms. I accept the fact that there isn't going to be a coup and George Bush was re-elected and thus I think that his work has been condoned by American citizens, whether it's some or all doesn't actually mean anything to anyone except an individual who didn't vote for him. Do I need to make a specific concession everytime I talk about it for that individual? I think that's a waste of time and choose not to think about it everytime I write about the situation here, that's my choice because it's my post.

Tryphena Absent

18:56 / 14.12.05

I'm sorry but I'm far too disheartened by America's reaction to fascism to possibly answer that question with the respect that those who don't agree with their government deserve.

cube needs to get out more

19:57 / 14.12.05

Another central argument against ending the death penalty, of course, involves the possibility of human error.

Just as a rider to this, I recently read (I think it was in Private Eye about the Cardiff Three) that in the history of the British justice system, only ONE person has ever been brought to court for a murder prosecution after the people wrongly convicted for it have been released. There are an awful lot of innocent people alive and free today because we don't have the death penalty.

E. Randy Dupre

14:22 / 15.12.05

I think that's a waste of time and choose not to think about it everytime I write about the situation here, that's my choice because it's my post.

And I choose to pick you up for it because if it's not deliberately antagonistic, it's lazy.

Tryphena Absent

16:51 / 15.12.05

I'm lazy, you're antagonistic.

A Haus of Minions

16:55 / 15.12.05

This thread is about specifically the execution of Stanley Williams. A broader debate of the death penalty is probably fair use. Argument over whether the American people have as a whole let the side down is not in-scope, and seems now in danger of running out of control. Rein it in or start a new thread on whether the population of a country is universally responsible for the actions of its elected officials.

Mourne Kransky

00:37 / 16.12.05

They seem to be unhappy with Arnie in Austria after his decision to have Tookie Williams killed.

A majority of members on Graz City Council (Austria's second city, 6km from his birthplace) have voted to rename the Arnold Schwarzenegger football stadium after Arnie approved the execution earlier this week of Stanley 'Tookie' Williams, according to Kleine Zeitung.

Any Austrian Barbeloids who can confirm this? It would seem emblematic of the gulf between the US and (much of) Europe on the death penalty issue.

Mourne Kransky

22:42 / 21.12.05

Arnold says "I won't be back".

Schwarzenegger cut his honorary ties to his hometown in Austria on Monday after officials in Graz criticized him for denying clemency to a death row inmate.
Schwarzenegger demanded that Graz stop using his name on a sports stadium and in promotions and returned a "ring of honor" he had been awarded by city officials in 1999, saying politicians in his hometown appeared to have rejected him.

A petition drive had been launched in Graz to have the town rename a stadium that has been named after Schwarzenegger because the Austrian-born governor allowed the execution of death-row inmate Stanley Tookie Williams this month.

Stoat-ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH

07:42 / 22.12.05

Schwarzenegger demanded that Graz stop using his name on a sports stadium...

A petition drive had been launched in Graz to have the town rename a stadium that has been named after Schwarzenegger

Most effective petition ever!!!

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