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7 Soldiers: Klarion, the Witch-Boy

 
  

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The Falcon
(prev. Bots'wana Beast)
16:18 / 08.06.05
Deux - Preveux.

Goes up to the bit in Guardian #2.
 
 
ALL KINDS OF DEAD TREES
(prev. Papers regarding Tlön & Uqbar)
02:34 / 15.06.05
#2 is out tomorrow, right? Right? Can't wait.
 
 
Aertho
04:46 / 16.06.05
What? No reactions?

and so...

Michael Jackson rendered as a comic supervillian! How timely! And how pimp, as well.

Anyone else?
 
 
ALL KINDS OF DEAD TREES
(prev. Papers regarding Tlön & Uqbar)
06:17 / 16.06.05
Liked it quite a lot. Irving's version of Klarion sits better with me this time around, although I was a bit shocked to find Teekl described as a "he." I kind of miss the idea of him having a female cat, although I really love Teekl's communication with him during the cat's fight with the rat king, and the way he referred to Klarion as his "brother." More bits and pieces about Limbo Town are revealed.

I need to reread Guardian #2 and Klarion as well before I can comment on the helmet and the train, but it was a nice nod. I'm not sure about the timing of all this; is the die that Klarion finds going to be the die that Misty has, or was it the fake die left over from Guardian while Misty got the real one before? The timeline of 7S bothers me a little.

Like how Limbo Towners are described as having the "Sheeda look" to their faces. Probably quite a black market for fairy children--
 
 
Mario
14:37 / 16.06.05
I believe the die Klarion found was the one from Guardian #2. If you look, I think you can see bits of All-Beard & No-Beard in the Croatan lair, and Misty's die has Roman numerals, not dots.

Is Melmoth also one of the 7 Unknown Men?
 
 
Uncle Batman
19:17 / 16.06.05
Klarion's reaction to 'A Leviathan made of fierce children' was priceless. This is a really strong title. Kind of keeps eeking towards being my favourite. Irving's art is lovely, pure and simple. Fresh and bold, I can't imagine anyone else doing this title.

Yup, another fucking dinner comic.
 
 
Planet B
22:31 / 16.06.05
My favorite Seven Soldiers title easily... and I have zero background with these characters before GM's mega-series, so it's all from what I'm reading in these issues.

Personally, I like the pacing better than some of the others. And I have a feeling we're just beginning to see how the series will connect to each other.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
22:41 / 16.06.05
I loved this. Klarion's wide-eyed excitement made everything seem shine, even the murkiest of sewers.

Not my favourite Soldier, but definitely the best art-wise, I just adore that look of contentment on Teekl and Klarion's face as Leviathan attacks Badde and the others.
 
 
Uncle Batman
23:07 / 16.06.05
Agreed. Just a boy and his pet, having a little cuddle...while a bloodthirsty pack of moppets tear a man apart. Poifect.
 
 
Stoat-ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH
22:15 / 17.06.05
"Ebeneezer Badde"- priceless.
I too have to re-read Guardian #2 to fully get the crossovers, but so far this is ace.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
22:28 / 17.06.05
When you read Guardian again, get ready for Poopie Pants!

It's really so intricately woven together. At first, I wasn't sure because Leviathanette makes reference to trading for the helmet and there's no sign of that in Guardian, but it does cut away quickly. And it makes a lot of sense that Leviathanette was watching the whole thing from the shadows and saw that Jake did indeed leave the helmet in exchange for the ride. That's how I like to read it anyways. And the fate of Horigal is perfectly intertwined with Guardian #2.

And, visually, the dice hole was rendered just like it was in Guardian. I'm really curious how all this was maintained visually. Especially since Fraze colored this himself. God damn I'd hate to be editor on this monster. But, really, they are doing an excellent job holding all this together, not just in the writing, but in the visual detail. And that is so not easy with all the different styles on display here.
 
 
Aertho
02:32 / 18.06.05
"Remember that Newsboy Army murder case? Ali cracked up pretty bad after that."

Who wants to bet that we've got a past event linking the first four books?

Ali is found by Justin, and soon to be joined by Zatanna and Misty. Ali cracked up after a confrontation with Melmoth, the Newsboy Army killer?
 
 
RadJose
06:48 / 18.06.05
My favorite bit is that upon rereading the Guardian #2 is seeing All-Beard asking "Where is my god in vast irons?" while in the chain room that Badde showed Klarion and said "Coatoan is an absent god". As if there WAS supposed to be a god trapped in that room. Or something god-like? Gwydion or the "new supreme architect" he serves?
 
 
ALL KINDS OF DEAD TREES
(prev. Papers regarding Tlön & Uqbar)
06:49 / 18.06.05
The pacing on Klarion is brilliant. I thought about the idea of Klarion getting up to Blue Rafters sooner, to get "into the action" quicker, but realized if that had happened I'd also be complaining that not enough time was spent in Limbo Town. So, over all, I'm going to say the pacing is the best on this one; Zatanna feels a little slow, even episodic; Shining Knight also has a pretty balls-to-the-wall pace; and the Manhattan Guardian feels a little wheels-spinning.

Speculation about the Newsboy Army Murder case - well, these guys are Seven Soldiers with no army - no communal spirit, no connection to each other. Maybe the Newsboys were a previous attempt by Ali-Ka-Zoom at organizing something? Having these soldiers with no direct connection, no face-to-face interaction, might be a way of saving them - get them in one place and they can all be taken out.

So far, the Soldiers are all playing the "Strangers in a Strange Land" game:

-Klarion is moving Upward into Blue Rafters.
-Ystin (gawd, I love that spelling) is moving Forward through time.
-Jake Jordan is moving Downward into the Underground.
-Zatanna is skipping Sideways into the Ra-Realm and other places.

Of them, Zee has the hubris (rather than a clearly heroic spirit like Ystin and Jake, or explorer's eye like Klarion, and gets punished for it - she's all about reprioritizing) and gets punished.

Back on Klarion, love the second cover far more than the first one. I like our boy's opportunistic / vicious side, the way he doesn't really have a problem dealing with Badde betraying him; he sort of expects it, it seems. Works in out in one panel, once Teekl brings the intel. I really enjoy the psychic connection between boy and cat, and I really want more on the weird "brotherhood" aspect.

This makes...two Soldiers with talking animal sidekicks, Ystin and Klarion. And Zatanna has Misty - who's Jake got?
 
 
Mario
15:18 / 18.06.05
Ed?
 
 
The Falcon
(prev. Bots'wana Beast)
16:41 / 18.06.05
Oh, by the way, K and Misty are definitely siblings. Their names are antonyms and they both have magic dice. 'Nuff said, I think.

I mentioned the Newsboy murder on the WIKI; I think it may have been Jake's manslaughter case with the kid from Guardian #1's flashback, but only 'cos there's no better options (re: children getting killed) right now.

After all the strong second issues, it's getting a lot harder to pick faves, eh readers? Thought Guardian and this book improved on middling initial showings immensely, and were best this round.
 
 
Warewullf
13:44 / 19.06.05
Just read this and not much to add except to say this is by far my favourite S7 series. It's just so much fun! Every scene was brilliant and I LOVED the look on Klarion's face throughout. Fantastic.
 
 
Panic
18:13 / 19.06.05
"Where is my god in vast irons?" while in the chain room that Badde showed Klarion and said "Coatoan is an absent god". As if there WAS supposed to be a god trapped in that room. Or something god-like?


Well, one of the later 7S series will feature a God (a bit Newish, tho) who has a habit of escaping from chains....

Eh? Eh?
 
 
Quimper
19:29 / 19.06.05
There is def a MM parallel here. Twas the first thing I thought of.
 
 
Aertho
22:55 / 19.06.05
I should change my ficsuit to Bad News Cassie.

From the Guardian thread:
Also... a god in shackles may be Mister Milo

I wonder if Croatoan is in fact the original shape of MM.
 
 
DaveBCooper
16:26 / 20.06.05
I enjoyed this, but I find Irving’s compositions a bit confusing – which is a bit of a shame, as I really like his linework. An example would be the page which we view from above, with the chains hanging down – I found myself having to look at the panel twice to figure out what was going on, which rather broke the flow of reading.

Is there a connection between the Harlan Ellison short story ‘Croatoan’ and this book? They both feature sewer-dwelling alligators which people ride, I think… though this may be so painfully obvious no-one else has mentioned it. As is my feeling that Badde might be Klarion’s father?
 
 
DaveBCooper
16:36 / 20.06.05
Oh, and speaking of things that may be so obvious I’m almost embarrassed to pretend it’s any kind of insight or revelation:
Ystin / mistY?
 
 
Aertho
16:43 / 20.06.05
As is my feeling that Badde might be Klarion’s father

A pox on our Star Wars™ infected rationales! 'Tis too heavy.
 
 
The Falcon
(prev. Bots'wana Beast)
17:05 / 20.06.05
There are certain referents:

'your own flesh and blood', and his interest in Ezekiel's sleeping arrangements.

Seems odd to me to name one issue of the series after him otherwise.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
17:12 / 20.06.05
It seems odder still, though, to kill him off after a few pages.
 
 
Aertho
17:25 / 20.06.05
Bah. It's only the yearning of past ethnocentric bonds that make E regret selling out his kinsfolk.

I admit, I also felt the comment meant more, but why invent a name so significant? Ebenezer? Bad-de? If he were curious Klarion's pa, he'd have climbed higher to blue rafters, and not stopped between worlds. Also: If Klarion could climb, why not others? Ebenezer prooves that others escape Limbo Town as well, and do not make it to Manhattan.

And he dies. Proving that Klarion's the more unpredictable bastard. Which was, in fact, the friggin point.

And no one's going to talk to me about Mister Melmoth being a creepy child molester/murderer/cannibal?
 
 
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17:33 / 20.06.05
Klarion's definetly my favorite of the soldiers' so far... he's so cute! My favorite but is when he says he wants to be a boy forever, then bursts out laughing, prompting Badde to say "You're not normal, Klarion". I find myself caring more for him and his cat then I do most of the other soldiers.

The Guardian looks good but the story doesn't interest me all that much. I like the Zatana character but I'm still not totally onboard for that one. Shining Knight I enjoy a bit more, not really because of the soldier involved but because it's one of the few of the titles so far that's showcased the Sheeda in any great detail. I want more Sheeda!
 
 
Ganesh
18:58 / 20.06.05
I admit, I also felt the comment meant more, but why invent a name so significant? Ebenezer? Bad-de?

Erm, is it particularly significant? Not just a pun (Jerry Sadowicz, who played Goode in the video, was a shadowy ne'erdowell with long curly hair and a top hat)?
 
 
Aertho
19:19 / 20.06.05
Eeenteresting.

Here I was thinking Scrooge, plus a witchy reversal of the whole "Goodie" So and So...
 
 
The Falcon
(prev. Bots'wana Beast)
03:41 / 21.06.05
Yeah, sorry Americans/anyone who's not heard the band who are possibly Aberdeen's finest (Eurythmics, maybe) pop act.

It's a song about taking 'veras', and my whole year were banned from singing it on a school trip.
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
09:35 / 21.06.05
I thought 'Veras' - like 'salmon', also mentioned in the song - was Mockney rhyming slang for 'cigarette papers'.
 
 
THOR!
10:36 / 21.06.05
vera lynns - skins
 
 
Stoat-ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH
10:38 / 21.06.05
I was musing on this the other day, and it occurred to me that, while the song was just an excuse to shout "Es are good" on Top of the Pops, I really couldn't imagine George giving a lusty chorus of "Es are bad".
 
 
Ganesh
12:49 / 21.06.05
No, that would be a tad literal, really. Fits with a story about puritans and puritanism, though.
 
 
The Falcon
(prev. Bots'wana Beast)
15:31 / 21.06.05
My slang-fu is shit. Apologies.
 
  

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