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Tryphena Absent

21:27 / 27.03.06

Can we delete or change the thread title of Sauron's heap of puke in Conversation? Can we, can we, can we?

Our Lady Drinks Your Milkshake

21:46 / 27.03.06

I've asked to both lock and delete it. I doubt it will be agreed to but I've tried. Let Sauron bitch about hirs right to write cretinous tripe if ze wants, I really couldn't give a shit.

Tryphena Absent

21:54 / 27.03.06

Well I have exercised my moderation abilities with a smile on my face tonight.

Stoatie. Stoatie? STOATIE.
(prev. Stoatie's power level is >9000)

22:01 / 27.03.06

I'm agreeing the request for obvious reasons- but wrt the request itself, Lady, are we trying to stop the Convo having stupid stuff or serious stuff? I may have missed a meeting or two.

Our Lady Drinks Your Milkshake

22:09 / 27.03.06

Well, I have a problem with Head Shop stuff getting put in there 'because no-one reads the Head Shop' (so, when do I start asking to move all the forums I moderate into the Conversation then? Obviously they could do with the wider audience), but tell me one thing from that thread that was worth sharing?

miss wonderstarr

22:12 / 27.03.06

are we trying to stop the Convo having stupid stuff or serious stuff?

I feel there's a difference between "silly stuff" like Denfield redesigning the DCU, which can approach joyful genius, and "stupid stuff" like Sauron's post, which is at best a juvenile attempt to shock that was riffed into some mildly OK gags by those who replied, and at worst some kind of nasty reference to sex with people with physical disabilities.

Mist combats dehydration

22:16 / 27.03.06

Change the thread title, if you want. But don´t delete the thread, please. I never would have known about flumps if not for Ganesh´s post.

And let´s not lock it yet, we are discussing who would win in a heffalump vs. honey badger fight!

Tryphena Absent

22:23 / 27.03.06

Moderators UNITE. High five. Zip de doo. My faith in the system is restored in scant moments.

Our Lady Drinks Your Milkshake

22:25 / 27.03.06

Yes. That's of vital importance. Here's what we want Google to say: Barbelith: Like the rest of the web, only worse.

22:28 / 27.03.06

If the thread's to be deleted, could we have some sort of discussion as to why? Is it

a) because the title, while opaque, sounds vaguely offensive to amputees,

b) because the title, while opaque, could be vaguely misogynistic (in an American Psycho kind of way),

or

c) because we believe the 'Sauron' suit may have been hacked?

Just looking for a little clarity, mods.

Our Lady Drinks Your Milkshake

22:33 / 27.03.06

Because it's teeth-rottingly bad. I'm sorry that you feel deprived of a chance to talk about fucking Flumps.

miss wonderstarr

22:35 / 27.03.06

What about somewhere between a) and b), that it seems pointlessly, worthlessly crass and lazy as a first post?

Maybe that doesn't mean it deserves deletion, I admit, as a truly pointless post will sink, and this one has taken off a little.

Bots'wana Beast
(prev. Busts'wana Beast)

22:35 / 27.03.06

I've disagreed it (I think; got the 'not necessary permissions' screen,) because I don't think we can just chuck things we, or rather Lady, don't very much like.

Is the usual form not a lock first?

Bots'wana Beast
(prev. Busts'wana Beast)

22:36 / 27.03.06

Oh, I see, it is locked. This is 'saving Barbelith from itself' then, I guess.

Dance to the Beat
(prev. Better Be Ready)

22:37 / 27.03.06

I think, IMO, that we should a) contact Sauron and see if he's truly responsible for the thread and b) change its name. But, please, do not c) lock it nor d) delete it. We are actually managing to turn into something good and funny. Weel, at leat something inocuous and funny.

Mist combats dehydration

22:37 / 27.03.06

You may find it bad, but deletion is not ok. If you find the term Sauron used offensive, then you can change the thread title and change his post. There´s no need to delete the entire thread.

22:37 / 27.03.06

Sorry, I've disagreed it. Are we deleting threads in the Convo for being shit now?

22:38 / 27.03.06

Because it's teeth-rottingly bad. I'm sorry that you feel deprived of a chance to talk about fucking Flumps.

And I'm sorry that you don't seem to feel any particular need to explain your decision to delete entire threads other than to state that you, subjectively, feel they're of low worth. Haven't we had this sort of problem with you before, Flowers? Don't you see any need to unpack your personal opinion here? Or is "it's teeth-rottingly bad" and a side-order of snarkiness to me all the explanation you feel is necessary?

22:42 / 27.03.06

What about somewhere between a) and b), that it seems pointlessly, worthlessly crass and lazy as a first post?

Pointless, worthless, crass, lazy - now grounds for summary thread deletion? In Conversation?

I don't particuarly give a shit about the thread itself, but I'd have liked to see some explanation beyond personal moderator opinion.

miss wonderstarr

22:44 / 27.03.06

Luckily for Barbelith, I'm not a mod and was just throwing in my ha'penny.

However, you should in fairness recognise the second half of my post: "Maybe that doesn't mean it deserves deletion, I admit, as a truly pointless post will sink, and this one has taken off a little."

22:44 / 27.03.06

Not to get in the way of your discussion dressing against the norm as an argument folks, but could some kind soul delete my double post about glasses in the Q & A thread in the Convo. My eyesight's not actually that bad, some weirdo server error the first time I posted, I promise...

22:46 / 27.03.06

Luckily for Barbelith, I'm not a mod and was just throwing in my ha'penny.

Quite. I don't like the Games forum much. Could someone delete it, please?

miss wonderstarr

22:47 / 27.03.06

I didn't say it should be deleted. I said that a bad thread would sink, and this one, having risen slightly, was its own argument against deletion.

Bots'wana Beast
(prev. Busts'wana Beast)

22:48 / 27.03.06

Yeah, I couldn't give a shit for half the threads in the conversation in the last year or so, including this, but notably I don't just summarily go for delete option.

Blakey - you are aware that you can start the ball rolling by hitting that edit post by your own posts? Done it anyway, just an fyi for future ref.

22:51 / 27.03.06

To actually delete it? No I wasn't, thought I could just modify it. Thanks though.

22:56 / 27.03.06

I didn't say it should be deleted.

No, that's true - and you at least attempted to engage with some discussion as to what might be offensive about the thread in question. Would that our high-fiving moderators would do the same...

Bots'wana Beast
(prev. Busts'wana Beast)

22:58 / 27.03.06

Yeah, there's two buttons on yer edit screen. As far as I remember.

Anyway, I've now gone for an unlock, because 'some of us think it's stupid and worthless' isn't really very satisfactory to me for unitarian action and smacks of unnecessary intercession. If you want better conversation, you can a) bump the 'Instead Thread' or - and I know this is a bit revolutionary - II) maybe lead off with something else of considerably more merit. A 'New Topic', as it were. Given the competition, this oughtn't to be terribly hard.

The Jawsus of the Blue Lagoon

23:10 / 27.03.06

Maybe we could give Lady her own fora, or she could vet all our posts for us? Because I'm writing some shit at the moment, it'd be nice to get some help with my thoughts.

Mist combats dehydration

23:12 / 27.03.06

Very well put, Duncan! And thank you for "I've now gone for an unlock".

And thumbs up to you, Ganesh, for your posts. I got too emotional about the lock/possible deletion and had to walk away from my computer for a bit. To delete the entire thread because of two offensive words is like shooting at sparrows with cannonballs.

DRR... DRR... DRR...
(prev. Mordant)

23:14 / 27.03.06

It was a pretty grim thing to start with, but I'm not 100% okay with the lock-and-delete. I don't think we're looking at a suit hack because our usual suspects tend to lose their shit all over the board very quickly. My guess is that young Sauron--who I've always had down as basically a decent sort of chap--is nursing a hangover somewhere and will hopefully be back when ze feels able to face the board again. And will then tell us what the everloving fuck ze was thinking, I hope.

miss wonderstarr

23:19 / 27.03.06

To delete the entire thread because of two offensive words is like shooting at sparrows with cannonballs.

Just for the sake of discussion: if those two words are the title and initial subject of the thread, that's a little different from what you're implying. If the thread had stayed on topic, instead of going into whimsy, it couldn't have been about anything else but fucking stumps, which as has been noted is a crass, nasty and potentially offensive idea at worst; Beavis and Butt-Head gross-out at best.

23:30 / 27.03.06

Just for the sake of discussion: if those two words are the title and initial subject of the thread, that's a little different from what you're implying. If the thread had stayed on topic, instead of going into whimsy, it couldn't have been about anything else but fucking stumps, which as has been noted is a crass, nasty and potentially offensive idea at worst; Beavis and Butt-Head gross-out at best.

Assuming we actually know what the topic is, which I'm not sure we do - hence the dendrophilia jokes, etc. We can't go about deleting threads on the grounds that vaguely unpleasant-sounding titles could signify unpleasant topics in the mind of the topic-starter - which, if remaining on topic, could have gone on to become thoroughly unpleasant discussions.

If we're deciding that unpleasantness has become offensiveness to the extent that thread lock/delete is being employed, at the very least there needs to be some sort of discussion of why something's seen as offensive, who it's offending and who's deciding the level of offensiveness merits moderator intervention.

Jenna Elfman's Hollywood Haus
(prev. West Baltimore Hausing Project)

23:34 / 27.03.06

I think a number of times in the past 31 pages of this thread, we have discussed what constitutes a good reason for a moderator move. I am also confused as to why Flowers and Nina, both moderators _in_ the conversation, are using this thread to talk about moderation actions that they will both be able to view and vote on in their capacities as moderators - is this in the interests of transparency?

Now, I think there are arguments for disposing of that thread. "Because it's shit", I don't think cuts the mustard. It would make more sense to suspend the suit, if we think it's been taken over. Might be worth trying to establish that. Needn't be too hard - one could ask Sauron to PM Boboss or Gumbitch with some information only they would have access to. It's a November 2001 suit, Tom can check whether it had a Hotmail address registered to it. If so, then chances are the suit has been hijacked, which is a different issue.

23:37 / 27.03.06

Now, I think there are arguments for disposing of that thread.

I don't necessarily disagree. Personally, I'd have liked to see those arguments, rather than 'high-fiving'.

miss wonderstarr

23:37 / 27.03.06

We can't go about deleting threads on the grounds that vaguely unpleasant-sounding titles could signify unpleasant topics in the mind of the topic-starter

You wouldn't just take the title into account, though, but the initial post. "Stump Fuckin'" could be the title of a promising thread, I suppose: could be the name of a band, a book.

But when the author gives you no more than

"Who's done it? What did it feel like? Where can I get some?"

then you're not just going on the fact that the title seems unpromising. I don't see that the original poster wanted this thread to go anywhere worthwhile. Again, most generously, ze wanted it to be some kind of funny gross-out storytelling session. I accept that the thread could be, and perhaps even has been redeemed, through the work of others.

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