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The Occult and the New World Order

 
  

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Skeleton Camera
19:20 / 05.05.04
Illmatic - great point. One that I think is necessary to recognize in conspiratology. The boldest conspiracies are the ones RIGHT OUT IN THE OPEN, which is the hardest place to detect anything. A synarchic structure may exist, or may be under construction, but it certainly doesn' t need to hide much of its agenda. But this is all a question of perspective, or awareness. Do you see the suburbs as affordable housing or as a collection of stifling constructed alienation devices?

And the other question is whether or not there is a "device" or "construction" behind world events. There are cultural forces that make things happen, such as the suburbs. But are the directed by 6 old white men, or are they an automated system arising from the way our culture grew up?
 
 
The Fetch
23:12 / 05.05.04
35 responses to this here?

Honestly didnt see that coming and since I am a bit busy, I dont have (but promise to revisit) some of the rather funny insinuations some of the folks here are making.

Nietzche was not a Jew? lol...I guess we have different reading material. Even Nietzche says he was Jewish, so I guess Nietzche was wrong all along? Sorry there mates, whoever is off in left field needs to go out to the Pavilion Seats and stop playing the game...

later...
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
23:33 / 05.05.04
Guess he forgot the part about his own dad being a Lutheran minister. Probably during his 'difficult' phase following that incident with the horse.
Seriously, where does Neitzche say he's Jewish?
 
 
h3r
23:36 / 05.05.04
but if you're going to accuse a race, religion or minority group for all the ills of the world {...}
nobody has done this in this thread.
nothing here seemed antisemitic to me. call me crazy, call me an anti-semite, whatever.
i happen to have many close friends with israeli genetics, they never thought of me as antisemitic, and I tend to speak my mind openly around them.

one thing seems a bit distressing to me though: our discussion here, our various standpoints have engaged us exactly into the game "they" want us to play.
you dont really think there is a "left wing" or a "right wing" do you?
you don't really believe that there are jews or anti-jews pulling the strings or instigating the worlds' problems? come on, wisen up please.....
the parties responsible for unhealthy situations in our physical/spiritual environment do not make the mistake of acting based on such a bi-polar view of reality, thats why they are considerably successful in the execution of their plans. and engaging the slave population into the ficticious drama of "party A" vs "movement B" puts the breaks on the chances for a positive realization of the limitless light in this specific reality we inhabit.

while it is one thing to disagree with each other, its an entirely different matter to start using the NWO given ficticious system of parties/-isms/belief systems to discredit a source or information, however implausible or far-fetched it appears....
 
 
Evan
23:36 / 05.05.04
Fetch:

First, learn how to spell "Nietzsche." No one will take your allegations about the man seriously if you don't even know how to spell his name.

Next, not only was Nietzsche raised a Lutheran, his father and both of his grandfathers were Lutheran ministers. Any reputable book on Nietzsche mentions this. Do a Google search. Do an Amazon "inside the book" search.

You have no credibility. You've made yourself look like a bigot and a fool. Do you really want to continue with this?
 
 
Evan
23:55 / 05.05.04
And h3r (assuming you're a separate person from Fetch):

What exactly are "israeli genetics"?

If a "jew" and "anti-jew" shook hands, would they explode and generate energy?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
00:02 / 06.05.04
h3r: Tell you what. Go back to the bit where the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (not that he got the name right, of course - another classic from the "Nietzsche was of course Jewish" school) get scarequotes around the adjectives "fake" and "mythical". You may not know what the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are. You may well not understand the implications or the history of the assertion that they are not in fact fake. Perhaps when you have read a book or two that will change. Or maybe take a look at the the bit where Jewish thought is associated with race hatred and (incorrectly) with Nietzsche, who is himself (incorrectly) identified as Jewish and (incorrectly) as the prophet of Nazism. Or... oh, hang on. You already missed all that.

So, next question. What were these researches of yours? Were they by any chance based around googling "Jews lizards shapeshifters" and feasting your little peepers?

It seems unlikely on this evidence that the Fetch has read anything by Nietzsche, or indeed anything outside a very narrow and rather repetitive set of books and web sites selling much the same notions to a credulous but lucrative market. I don't feel that reading outside that would be a surrender to the New World Order, but clearly YMMV.
 
 
raelianautopsy
03:33 / 06.05.04
Can't say that I agree with everything in Fetch's article, or even that I followed all of it, but it raises some important points and should be supported for that.

There is enough circumstantial evidence to show that something is 'running' the world behind the scenes. You need only turn on the TV and see that the government is lying to you. But how far high up do the lies go? We can't know for sure, but its good to throw around different theories of who is really running the show and what their agendas are. Maybe it is all about Fifth Dimensional Reptillians, and maybe not. That's just one possibility, but to say that you absolutely know that is impossible is just as wrong as saying you know 100% that it is true. This is why orthodox atheism is no different than religious fundamentalism. When you are dealing with secret knowledge that is usually beyond the realm of direct experiences, like New World Order literature, it becomes somewhat vague and we definately should juggle around different theories to eventually get to the truth. Just as theoretical physics (and many other sciences) are respsected, so too should 'theoreticl politics and mysticm' of this sort not be so ridiculed.

And apparently there is a Jewish element to the 'New World Order'. It is wrong and ignorant to say that all Jewish people are evil and run the world. But there are some Jewish people that are involved in something. The Rothchild banking family, Jewish mysticm in secret societies, and the obvious tremendous influence that the Zionist political movement has over the United States. But it is also obvious that anything as high-level as controlling the world from behind the scenes far transcends trivial matters like Jew and Gentile. The Jewish portion is just one small aspect. Also, there is some evidence that suggest the Protocols could have been written by a secret society, the Illuminati or Freemasons, and only the later forgeries gave the authorship to just Jews.

When both men running for president (not to mention this president being so obviously only there because of bloodlines) are both in the same secret society, of course I refer to the Skull and Bones, there may be something to these conspiracy theories and it might be sound advice to pay more attention to this.
 
 
raelianautopsy
03:35 / 06.05.04
I don't know what it is about conspiracy theories and mysticm that makes me write so pretentiously. Should I add something funny and lighten the mood?
 
 
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09:33 / 06.05.04
Na it's ok Haus already has done :

"So, next question. What were these researches of yours? Were they by any chance based around googling "Jews lizards shapeshifters" and feasting your little peepers?"

I always knew you were a conspiracy fan Haus, are you coming out of the closet at last?


Seriously though, i think that there's a lot of stuff going on that can't just be dismissed by bunching it in with David Icke's lizard men, it's pretty plain to see, just like ra said in the last post here.

If like Bush said on the news in America that the Skull and Bones society is "So secret we can't say anything about it", then it would be pretty sad to think that it can be left undiscussed and put on par with lizardmen/reptiles/shapeshifters, especially in a place like this. (Skull and Crossbones exists for a fact, it's in Yale college in America if i remember rightly, there's no proof for lizard men that we know of, obviously.) Things do link up aswell, maybe not into some meta-conspiracy but often there are chains of links between conspiracy theories that are around.

Protocols of Zion could of been written with the intent of using it aswell, all it takes is a group of whacked in the head people with influence in a secret society or a magical group and it could of been used. It doesn't make you racist to quote or mention it either, it's not as if The Fetch wrote it or said he believed it, just that it could be used. It's not as if there's no-one mad enough in today's world to use it is there? Hopefully there isn't, but it's quite obvious that i could be wrong.

I had a Freemason on another site picking apart the conspiracy site that i got some information from aswell in order to try and prove that because some crazy stuff was on there, all the rest of the information had to be suspect or hardly worth using. This isn't the case at all. Sometimes there's some stuff on conspiracy sites that's totally beyond belief, but that doesn't mean that other information isn't useful, important and possibly correct. If the governments are doing the stuff they are doing and keeping quiet about it, there's not many other places to find this type of information. Also it could be quite true that a lot of conspiracy writers have people on the inside with facts that tip them off. Just like one guy who wrote about Majestic-12 and had government documents that furthered or actually proved part of his theory posted through his letterbox by an anonymous source.

If we still exist in a couple of hundred years most of this stuff will be declassified anyway.
 
 
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11:02 / 06.05.04
Just one more thing, if you like far out stuff try reading some of this : The Cassiopaea Experiment

If The Fetch's post is too out there for you though and you got irritated by it, i wouldn't click on that link.

"We are YOU in the Future."
 
 
Rex Feral
11:20 / 06.05.04
Evesig, haus and othes: The stuff about the Lutherans is all a cover, don’t you see? A clever, clever cover. I know this goes I stayed up all last night enumerating the gematria of Lutheran - it totals 326, the same number as “bottom” and “swastika” – if we follow this chain of symbolism together, what do you get – yes, the “Lutheran” thing is a ruse, as indicated by Nietchze pulling a moonie at us. Yes, he’s showing us his ass, his big jewish nazi ass!! I can see those moon white ayran buttcheeks clear as day from where I’m sting

Anyway…. moving swiftly on, I’m going to summarise the essay I linked to above because I feel it might provide a bit of clarity here. The author’s basic thesis is that yes, conspiracies happen. To paraphrase “limited conspiratorial activities are a regular feature of politics” (and business, I might add). Note word “limited” there – it’s important. It seems to me totally understandable (if not always justifiable) that small groups will form in any given situation who will work to their own agendas, from insider dealing on the stock exchange to the backstabbing that goes on around leadership contests in political parties. However, where conspiracy theorists seems to lose the plot is that they then generalise upwards, from the evidence of these occurrences to form grand theories of history – meta-conspiracies, to coin a phrase.

To take an example, do I believe a small group of conservatives around George Bush cheated in the presidential elections? Yeah, pretty much. It doesn’t seem unbelievable and there’s a lot of information on record (see Greg Palast’s work on the subject). Do I believe that the same group of people are actually latest representatives of a sinster group who’ve been controlling the fate of the human race us for all of recorded history? No. It’s implausible in the extreme and doesn’t square with the complexity of the world and most importantly there’s no fucking credible evidence. To sum up, small conspiracies – fact of life. Meta-conspiracies – in a word, bollocks. Don’t waste your bloody time.

I think we’ve got an obvious example in raelianautopsy’s statement above:

There is enough circumstantial evidence to show that something is 'running' the world behind the scenes. You need only turn on the TV and see that the government is lying to you.

Why does the observation that politicians are corrupt and lie ergo lead to the truth that that the world is “controlled”? If you think of the influences and pressure every politician is subject to – party funding, business sponsorship, in-party “whips” and all the other groups they have to negoiate between - it’s no wonder that they are sometimes economical with the truth. I don’t see how or why this leads to the shadowy controllers or the New World Order.
 
 
Mordant Carnival
11:42 / 06.05.04
Protocols of Zion could of been written with the intent of using it aswell, all it takes is a group of whacked in the head people with influence in a secret society or a magical group and it could of been used. It doesn't make you racist to quote or mention it either, it's not as if The Fetch wrote it or said he believed it, just that it could be used.

Well, he put quotemarks around the word mythical in relation to the Protocols, implying that he doesn't really think they're a myth.

In case anyone's unclear on this: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are a forgery. The book purports to be written by a shadowy group of Jewish leaders, and details the plans of this supposed group to Take Over The World (TM).

In fact, it was created by anti-semites in order to spread hatred of the Jews. Implying that it's anything other than a fake is a pretty clear sign of anti-semitism in my book (assuming the person doing the implying actually knows anything about the Protocols, that is).
 
 
Rex Feral
11:54 / 06.05.04
Memory tells me it was written by Czarist secret police, but I might be wrong.
 
 
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12:07 / 06.05.04
Implying that it's anything other than a fake is a pretty clear sign of anti-semitism in my book

Sorry, just to clear up for one last time : I think that it could of been written with the intent of using it, not that it's true or written by Jews, it could of been written by anyone.

So basically it could of been written by a bunch of anti-semites as far as i can guess with the purpose of causing a load of shit for the Jews etc and at the same time causing a load of chaos by taking any steps at all to carry out some of the stuff in that text.

Put it this way : if your an anti-semite, your pretty fucking thick.
 
 
Mordant Carnival
14:34 / 06.05.04
I'm not sure how anyone could "use" the Protocols. I haven't read the whole thing, but it pretends to be the minutes of a clandestine meeting of Jewish elders at the end of the ninteenth century. There's not really any how-to tips for taking over the world. The only real "use" for the rag is to get impressionable people to chuck bricks through the window of the local kosher butcher.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:44 / 06.05.04
Yup...

look, dude. It's fake. It's a forgery. It's bollocks.

It's no more true than an issue of Spiderman, Hulk, or (gulp... no, I'm gonna say it...) The Invisibles. And a lot less convincing than ANY... yes, ANY- of them. Even really shit issues.

(waits for ground to do big scary swallowy thing.)
 
 
Sir Real
16:05 / 06.05.04
As amusing as this has been to read, can't we take it out of the Temple and put it in Paranoid-Cracked-Out Rants?

Except, of course, for the fact that paranoid, cracked-out conspiracies such as this one are prime examples of what happens when one is lost in Chapel Perilous.
 
 
LVX23
18:17 / 06.05.04
2stepfan: srael is a nuclear-armed, high tech STATE.

The Palestinians are in shanty towns.

You do the math and then tell me Palestinians are "AS GUILTY" as Israel.


Um, so this justifies bombing nightclubs? Public transport? Strapping explosives to 12-year olds and sending them into Israeli towns?

Can't you see how this has perpetuated the conflict just as much as Israeli actions? It's absolutely a two-way street. This conflict has been raging for thousands of years.

You tell me who started it.
 
 
Mordant Carnival
19:15 / 06.05.04
If anyone's curious as to why people are getting to aerated over this text, some right-wing bible-bashing nutbars have been kind enough to post what looks to be a complete text of the Protocols on their site. (I haven't created a link because I don't think we want the 'lith turning up in these guys' referral logs.)

www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm

I didn't get very far, largely because I experienced a powerful urge to punt the VDU across the room.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:32 / 06.05.04
LVX23 - I think it might be a bit tricky to argue that the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians over the occupied territories has been going on much longer than, say, the six day war. But perhaps I misunderstand you. More on the relatvie culpability of the Israelis and the Palestinians, being concerned with history and politics rather than lizards, might be found in the Switchboard.

Anyway, we know who is truly responsible:



Israeli and non-Israeli genetic infantrymen
 
 
SteppersFan
20:04 / 06.05.04
LVX23:
> Um, so this justifies bombing nightclubs? Public
> transport? Strapping explosives to 12-year olds and
> sending them into Israeli towns?

No mate. But it does demonstrate the weakness of the Palestinians. Israel has a nuclear "deterrent", a huge army, billions of $ in military aid -- etc etc -- and the Palestinians have, as you say, 12 year olds with bombs strapped to them.

I think we should recognise this vast imbalance in power. As well as the ethnic cleansing and occasional genocide of the Palestinians. And the fascistic nature of the Israeli state w.r.t. Palestine. And the way that Israel's status as a US base in the middle east has warped both Israeli politics and the geopolitics of the region.

> Can't you see how this has perpetuated the conflict just
> as much as Israeli actions?

To a degree.

But it looks to me like Israel has created and perpetuated the conflict to a far greater degree.

You don't have to be a Hamas supporter to see that, as I'm sure you appreciate.
 
 
LVX23
20:35 / 06.05.04
Suffice it to say that both sides have engaged in their share of atrocities, and the roots of the conflict are exceedingly complex and convoluted.

As an ignorant outsider, I get hung up on the Rodney King adage: "Why can't we all just get along?" To my mind so much of the conflict in the Middle East gets back to religious and racial intolerance (and maybe in pursuing this point I can swing this debate back into magick...).

Iit seems to me that you basically have three religious cultures vying for a contested Holy Land. Islam, Judaism, & Christianity all want the Dome of the Rock. And they were each told by their God that they are the chosen people. Israel-ne-Palestine is much more than just a chunk of land. It is the core material embodiment of the 3 most powerful religious entities on the planet, the 3 most enduring & influential constructs of human culture. As such I don't think we can analyze the conflict simply by looking at the last 50 years or so since Israel's inception.

In a sense we could regard these three Old Aeon gods as struggling for dominance, fighting each other through the bloodshed of their followers. Behind the scenes - and this is perhaps what Fetch was clumsily alluding to - are political and corporate players manipulating the holy warriors in order to advance their material interests. These Archons, if you will, seek to displace the gods of spirit with their own deity of materialism. The blind dogma of the holy warriors is easily manipulated by atheists of power.

If religion wasn't so dogmatic, would the situation get better? Would tolerance replace hatred? Is there a future, perhaps distant, where Israelis & Palestinians, Jews & Christians & Muslim, could all coexist peacefully in the same place? Maybe that's what the "apocalypse" is: rationalistic dogma eradicated by a sudden shift of human consciousness into relativism.

Dogs and cats living together, real Wrath Of God stuff.
 
 
h3r
20:46 / 06.05.04
thank god, we departed form the bipolar attacks, this has now become a good discussion
i had a looong post with answers to several questions directed at me, but it got lost in hyperspace when i tried to post it. serious. its not a cop out.

and evskig, rest assured, I am not an alter ego of the Fetch (which appears to be the logical conclusion to me not completely condoning his posts/ideas

love and peace. reptilian shapeshifters are also welcome in tipi.
 
 
The Fetch
20:51 / 06.05.04
I am absolutely amazed at the varying degrees of perceptions this piece has brought out.

I wonder how many people have actually READ the Protocols and if so, how you can look anyone in the face and say that they are not being invoked at this point in time.

Everything from "printing lies" to the "materialist" worldview is brought to the fore. Unless you folks dont get it, Zionists are not "just Jews", but in truth an elite Occult force in the world that is very powerful and very deadly.

Where else in the world but Israel can you place some 7 million people in concentrations camps, destroy their agricultural infrastructure (Geneva conventions calls this an "intent to commit Genocide"), starve people such that a whole generation of children will be permanently scarred, maintain a 5:1 kill ratio and a near 10:1 maime/casualty ratio, and yet STILL PEOPLE SEE THE AGRESSOR AS A VICTIM!!!

This is what you call "black Occult Magic" in practice, and its roots are in Kabballah and Noahidism. "Jews" are everybit a victim in this as are they who are "not Jews", and you have to marvel at the fact that you have to treat Jews as if they are a wholly seperate "class" of being that is beyond any criticism whatsoever.

That is just bullshit.

If a group of neo-con Kabballistic Occultist want to hijack a world and subjugate it as we see America and Israel (you cannot seperate the two in Noahidist Occult Magic), then they can be criticised just as much as any other group. If they dont like the criticism, the get the hell out of power and return the world to some form of normalcy instead of basing reality on a series of "myths" like Shambhala and "higher powers" that only a few "Initiated" can comprehend.

Further, the world does not work on democratic principles: there are two sets of reality. One is the illusion of democracy. Did America REALLY want this war? No. Did America's Jewish Elite and Israel want this war? Yes. That is just a political FACT.

The whole War in Iraq was designed to take out and alleviate pressure on Israel's Gaza or Southern Front with the idea that they could install Chalabi as their frontman. This is no secret outside of the halls of the way the world works. Every bit of the so called "intelligence" that was used to justify this war was siphoned through Noahidist channels in Israel via Chalabi's agents.

What these people want is to rule and their systems of thought be protected from illumination. To achieve this, there is a whole legion of idiots who will scream "anti-Semitism" if you so much as "think" the word "Jew".

Such is magic in practice: the world has been crafted to respond such and there is no shortage of automotons willing to carry the flag.

In the meantime: what is going on in the United States?

And as regards "conspiracies", lets not forget the largest one going right now, that "19 Arabs managed to subvert the entire National Security Apparatus of the United States" and effected the destruction of the WTC and hit the Pentagon! If that isnt a wild eyed conspiracy, I dont know what is: the truth is, it was carried out by internal forces aligned with Noahidism for a larger agenda, an agenda rooted in the Occult.

Go "bone up" on Noahidism, who its players really are, who its friends really are, and then come back to me so we can speak on this subject with a more educated frame of mind instead of this rather fascinating display of emotional knee jerk reactionism.

The Fetch
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:54 / 06.05.04
Where else in the world but Israel can you place some 7 million people in concentrations camps

Well, I can think of a nation that had a bloody good go az while back...

Tell you what, Fetch. Do a bit of research (proper research, not the same websites) on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, work out how you differentiate between Israelis and Jews, read a bit of Nietzsche and a bit of Hegel, admit your basic factual mistakes rather than trying to insult people into forgetting you have made them - in essence do the comparatively difficult stuff. Then pop back in and we can all have a nice cup of tea.
 
 
LVX23
22:13 / 06.05.04
Fetch:
Go "bone up" on Noahidism, who its players really are, who its friends really are, and then come back to me so we can speak on this subject with a more educated frame of mind instead of this rather fascinating display of emotional knee jerk reactionism.

Oh enlightened one! Why don't you give us some fucking references to research? The resistance you get is based on your complete inability to back up any of your inflammatory rhetoric with some decent references. So basically it sounds like you're just making all this shit up.

I searched on Noahidism and to me it looks like they're just a bunch of friendly Jews & Gentiles interested in following the Covenant of Noah. I can't find any references to a Noahidic conspiracy.

The Covenant of Noah:
Avodah Zarah: Prohibition on idolatry.
Birchat HaShem: Prohibition on blasphemy and cursing the Name of G-d.
Shefichat Damim: Prohibition on murder.
Gezel: Prohibition on robbery and theft.
Gilui Arayot: Prohibition on immorality and forbidden sexual relations.
Ever Min HaChay: Prohibition on removing and eating a limb from a live animal.
Dinim: Requirement to establish a justice system and courts of law to enforce the other 6 laws.

It sounds to me like you're just getting caught up in the old "Jews run the world" myth and are elevating it to mythic proportions.
 
 
Mordant Carnival
22:53 / 06.05.04
I wonder how many people have actually READ the Protocols and if so, how you can look anyone in the face and say that they are not being invoked at this point in time.


Okay, I've now read the whole thing. It's not long; in fact, I think I've read most of it before. I'm wondering though if the Fetch has read it, or perhaps read a different text. See, the Protocols that I read today was the same tedious pile of recycled lies, bullshit and libel I've seen quoted by dozens of bigoted conspiracy nuts. "We're the Elders of Zion, we hate GOYIM, we're gonna fuck you up, blah blah blah," all dreamt up and spewed out by some Czarist anit-semite.

It's just a pile of wank designed to get the gullible to attack Jews. That's all it is. There's no secret bloody message. Or perhaps the poster has revealed some hidden wisdom within the text, possibly by adding the page numbers up and taking away the time of day, then feeding the results into his Rocket Ranger decoder ring?
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
00:24 / 07.05.04
"Where else in the world but Israel can you place some 7 million people in concentrations camps, destroy their agricultural infrastructure (Geneva conventions calls this an "intent to commit Genocide"), starve people such that a whole generation of children will be permanently scarred, maintain a 5:1 kill ratio and a near 10:1 maime/casualty ratio, and yet STILL PEOPLE SEE THE AGRESSOR AS A VICTIM!!!

This is what you call "black Occult Magic" in practice, and its roots are in Kabballah and Noahidism."


Huh? Did I miss something? How does this have anyfuckin'thing to do with 'black Occult Magic'? How do concentration camps have 'roots' in Kabballah? Quote me a line from Zohar if I'm wrong. The Israeli/Palestine conflict is a HUMAN problem based on thousands of years of European and Middle-Eastern history and continued by the same mundane greed and agression that characterises all human conflict. Fetch: A flick through Howard Bloom's 'The Lucifer Principle' might enlighten you a little on the real causes of conflict, which are primarily evolutionary and social. Though he is Jewish, so get your calculator ready to decode the eeeeevill Zionist messages clearly imprinted in the text.

Oh, and the Protocols: I've heard Bond villians give more realistic explanations of their plans for world domination. The only 'conspiracy' here is the long-dead Czarist conspiracy to fuel anti-semitism that still seems to exert a grip on weak minds who crave the power of 'hidden knowledge' and the security of a black and white, us against them worldview. You're obviously not stupid, so here's hoping you'll take the next turning off this particular reality tunnel and channel your mind into something more productive.
 
 
The Fetch
01:51 / 07.05.04
LVX...

Unlike you relative to me, I still have a modicum of respect for what you bring to the table. However, I would encourage you to sharpen up on your research.

My article presented a ton of information and angles that would enable you to dig into the heart of what I was writing about while at the same time I remain "on the conspiracy edge" and hence provide a means to protect the message from the less skilled in the Craft.

Mordant--lets keep in mind that this Czarist story is the Zionist side of the story and a court in Geneva was used to "prove" this story. We also need to bring to the fore that Demanjuk was falsely charged and exhonerated, only to have an "american Judge" reinstate what the Israeli government failed to do: convict. Further, the recent firing (resignation) of the head of the BBC for the claims that Blair spiced up the intelligence to go to war is classic strategies contained in the Protocols.

As the resigned editor said, "The Judge seemed to ignore quite alot of the facts of the case."

At some point in time, you have to look past this quaint reality where a single judge determines the directions of the debate simply from a pragmatic idea that when you reduce the equation to a "legal opinion", you are essentially allowing control from forces unseen.

This is just how the game is played and it is about time people wake up and smell the stench.

Personally, your analysis is rather naive and childish and is far from the pragmatism I take in the way the Occult dominates the political spheres. Do you really think that 9-11 and that 911 days after 9-11 was the Spanish Train Attack are somehow not linked to Numerological Codes?

Right!

If anyone is able to see in Number, I dare say there are few as focused on the Craft as I, and as such, your pityful denials and protestations shall remain so as far as I am concerned.

"Rocket Ranger decoder ring"...how friggin childish and stupid. Is this supposed to be your way to make me appear as if somehow I am some basketcase with no formal knowledge of the way of the hidden?

People in the Occult work with Numbers ALL THE TIME and if you havent figured that out yet, then it is about time you go to school on the more technical side of what makes the Occult tick.

What do you think, that all these movies intimating Pi are from some dream world? Do you think that the design of Letters is purely random and evolutionary and void of reason?

And Phex...why dont you lecture us on Rabbinical Magic? What can you tell us of the Dreidle and Succos? What of the Kol Nidre and other aspects of Jewish mysticism at the more elite levels?

Again, protestations are going to NOTHING to stop an agenda clearly in play. Do you really think that those kids in Iraq with all those pictures of disgust against Iraqi's is coming from rural America from which these kids are drawn?

There is a larger agenda at play, and that this thread recieved so much attention is due to that nervous aspect relative to the issues I imbedded within.

None of you know me and what I stand for, yet you read a few words and all of the sudden you are champions of Anti-Semitism? Yeah, as if it takes alot of intelligence to parrot such an insane concept.

The Occult deals with what is hidden and I deal with revealing what is hidden. Nothing will change that.

The Fetch
 
 
LVX23
02:31 / 07.05.04
And yet you still refuse to give us any credible references beyond the walls of your own occulted vision.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
02:37 / 07.05.04
911 days after 9-11 was the Spanish Train Attack

Umm... it wasn't, actually... there was a leap year someobody forgot.
 
 
Mordant Carnival
02:53 / 07.05.04
Don't know about anyone else, but I didn't read "a few words". I read and re-read your posts, checked out the sites you mention, searched some of the keywords. In short, I did the work. Nothing has changed.

You know what else? I don't care what some damn judge said either way--just reading the Protocols is enough for me to see through them for a hoax.

And yes, I know how numbers work. I have a basic working understanding of Gematria, and a background in mathematics as it relates to the physical sciences that goes back about fifteen years. I use Pi more often than most people floss.

You can prove anything with number codes. I once "proved" that I was Shakespere. Doesn't mean I'm going to get his royalties anytime soon.
 
 
The Fetch
03:41 / 07.05.04
LVX,

The article contains all the links necessary to effect a search of where the article was coming from.

The Protocols and all they entail are as old as Nations States themselves. There has always been an agenda between the haves and the have nots, between the landed and the landless, between the priviliged and those who were born into less fortunate circumstances.

No matter what you wish to call these strategies and techniques, you will find them in practice. How they are presented in fiction does not dilute the underlying techniques. The use of the press to print LIES is a STAPLE and I dare anyone to present to me that the current Bush (Christian Zionist) and Noahidist (Israeli Likudiks) did not indeed print a wide array of LIES to justify going to war on behalf of a Zionist organ, aka the State of Israel.

Go ahead, TELL US that lies were not printed daily as America and Britain were dragged into a war. Let me see how serious you will be taken when you tell me that WMD's existed and that Bush and his henchmen knew exactly where they were. Why dont you tell the family of top Iraqi scientists who are rotting in Iraqi prisons because they told the truth that Saddam had destroyed his WMD caches in the middle 90's.

The use of the Big Lie is the oldest trick in the Book, and if you want to call them Hitlerian or Zionist or Machiavellian, it doesnt matter to me: the techniques are in full view, in full use, and everyone says they are a hoax.

Whatever.

I cant be so stupid and naive if I tried.

And Mordant -

Regarding the use of Pi.

You really use Pi as an Occult device? Yeah right. You wouldnt recognise it in use if it bit your lips off and tied your toungue. You can prove anything with numbers. What type of lame arguement is that? What is the point? Do you somehow think that the systems of Gematria and Numerology and the like dont exist and are not still used?

You use Pi. Big deal. Proves nothing relative to the Occult. About all you have impressed me with is that you are an ignorant and judgemental fool who attacks people based on your own flawed perceptions. Your branding of people is classic ADL thuggery.

Naivite does not stop agendas from advancing forward. Blatant denial hardly assuages they who work in the shadows. The use of the Occult in politics is perhaps one of the most misunderstood of all forces at work in the world, and it has always been so as it is taught to the masses that it is so evil it cannot be studied or viewed, while all the while it remains the domain of they who govern and hence use its power and effectiveness.

And LVX, my credibility is hardly damaged: they who care not what I have to say are not going to change their opinion of me anyways, and those who have an appreciation for what I say also have a refinement to analyse my words critically and not go flying off the handle with some knee jerk Zionist inspired sloganeering.

My message is far more complex and layered than some "anti-Semitic" inspired crap line of logic. It always has been and will remain so.

The Fetch
 
 
Charlie's Horse
04:15 / 07.05.04
Go ahead, TELL US that lies were not printed daily as America and Britain were dragged into a war. Da Fetch

I don't think anybody has argued against this. Period. I don't think anyone can in this modern world, if they pay attention. You seem to use this fact (in part) to justify the Protocols of Zion. So, the Protocols mention using outright lies for the sake of control. OK. Does that validate the document? Not even close.

'Disinformation' involves mixing truth and falsehood - the truth makes false more plausible. So the Protocol mentions lying to the public. Doesn't Machiavelli's The Prince do the same thing? Or The Art of War, if less explicitly? Don't a lot of writings on government say this?

Do these documents contain 100% TRUTH because they mention this cute little fact? Nope. If I tell you something true - the sky is blue - and then make up some bullshit - I am Goddess - and paste the two together, are both suddenly true? If so, the universe has gotten a little too postmodern for my taste.

I know this doesn't address the larger issues you've brought up, Fetch. I just wanted to point out the drift of emphasis from your last post. No one has said "Our Government Never Lies" or some such foolishness. I simply think that the global situation has too much complexity for this 'One Ring to rule them all' perspective on institutionalized conspiracy.

"Enemies will fill the spaces you reserve for them."
Carroll
 
  

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