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The Occult and the New World Order

 
  

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The Fetch
23:41 / 03.05.04
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In order to understand the New World Order in the Jewish Synarchist
model, one must first understand the nature of "capital" and its
effects on global markets.

Synarchism is a form of "EL" worship, which, in the confused order of
things, is a belief in the supremacy of the Jewish god over all
others in a war of mythical proportions become manifest in the
material. A whole array of ritualistic channels are used to access
this "higher power". There are basically two components of
Synarchism that one needs to be quickly acquainted with: Martinists,
a form of Free Masonry linking in to "Mars" or Jehovian energy
systems and Zionism, which become manifest in the "fake" "Protocols
of Zion" and from which would spring Nazism and all that it
entailed. The main "El" component of this system of thought is
Noahidism, a pseudo-religious idea that Jews are the Master race and
that mankinds only purpose is to be "rectified" through submissive
service to all adherent of "El". (see www.inner.org, the main website
of this movement and the recent passing of Noahidist Doctrines into
Education Day in the United States in 1991 — US Congress, HR 104
Public Law 102-14 (1))

The "dreidle" or hinge pin history of this movement can be found in
the roots of Nazism, which will lead you back to "satanists"
(actually Hyper Jehovians) and Jewish Zionist founders.
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http://www.cecaust.com.au/culture/synarchism.htm
The Synarchists originated in fact among the immediate circles of
Napoleon Bonaparte; veteran officers of Napoleon's campaigns spread
the cult's practice around the world. G.W.F. Hegel, a passionate
admirer of Bonaparte's image as Emperor, was the first to supply a
fascist historical doctrine of the state. Nietzsche's writings
supplied Hegel's theory the added doctrine of the beast-man-created
Dionysiac terror of Twentieth-Century fascist movements and regimes.
The most notable fascist ideologues of post-World War II academia are
Chicago University's Leo Strauss, who was the inspiration of today's
U.S. neo-conservative ideologues, and Strauss' Paris co-thinker
Alexandre Kojeve.


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Nietzche, of course, was a Jew and was one of if not the most
influential "thinkers" on what would later become Nazism and Nazi
racial idiologies. The racial hatred of Jews for non-Jews as clearly
espoused in Noahidist Occult works provides ample fodder for the
growth of hyper-racist agendas, and in Nietzche was found a
Jewish "thinker par excellence", a macabre blend of hyper racism and
hatred fused to calculated logic.

That the two were interlinked can be relatively easily intimated: the
United States and other Western Intelligence services classified this
new brand of "El inspired" philosophy as "Synarchism:
Nazism/Communism". This title shows that the then prevailing
Intelligence services (1926-1945) were indeed essentially the same
form of classification and were indeed "as one". Synarchism was not
given a title unto itself: it was given a title that equated to
Nazism and Communism.

The glue that held and still holds synarchism together is the current
order of banking schemes, a system that is outside of any government
jurisdiction and hence dictatorial and anti-democractic. It is a
mockery in the face of a world interested in "de-mockritising" itself
at the mass level. "The underlying authority behind these cults is
a contemporary network of private banks of that medieval Venetian
model known as fondi. The Synarchist Banque Worms conspiracy of the
wartime 1940s, is merely typical of the role of such banking
interests operating behind sundry fascist governments of that
period." (see link above)

In a Synarchist World, what makes the world go round is Money and
Power. Love, welfare of societies, protection and fostering of
healthy lifestyles, promotion of good will; in short, everything good
and noble about the human race takes a back seat to "money" and the
accumulation thereof by any means possible. Societies, therefore,
are generally designed so that Money plays the most valued
component. Societies that exist outside these bounds are ripped
apart and torn asunder: the religion of Money is at the heart of
Synarchism.

To achieve this end, there is a wholly seperate "religion" that
adherents to these ideals follow: spirituality not even the
Synarchists can deny entirely, and their rituals, designed to
destroy, are fused against a knowledge that few in the mainstream
ever come to know. This very fact is by design: if the masses are
actually conciously aware of the means by which they are being
subjugated to money, and the religious formulas being put in play,
then the masses would be more easily prepared to defeat the system.
Nature always corrects itself. If a land has too many ants, Nature
provides "ant eaters" to eat the "ants". If a land has too many
rodents, Nature provides an array of predators to prey on the rodents.

Let us prey.

And the names within which humanity is willing to prey in are as
varied as the rainbow. In the name of Jesus, let us prey. In the
name of G-d, let us prey. Let us prey. So, too, do the Synarchists
and their masses of followers seek to "prey", and in this vein, the
formula is altared only slightly to "Let us pray".

Synarchism's roots can be found to be coming into its own with the
idea of a concept called Agarttha (Agarta). In Agarta can be found a
series of "philosophies" that would become the key to Zionism and
Nazism in their current manifestations.

Agartha deals essentially with a "Hollow Earth" theory, and states
that the world is divided into 4 Concentric Circles. The main theme
is that of a "Master Race", endowed with "Vril", or a life force
which is really a more focused knowledge of Chinese "qi", or "ch'i",
and the uses thereof, which first appeared in a work called "The
Coming Race" from the author of "The Last Days of Pompeii (1834)".
In 1869, a man by the name of Cyrus Reed Teed promoted a series of
lectures and pamphlets on the subject, claiming that he lived within
the Shambala. He founded his own movement, the Koreshans (Koresh is
the Hebrew Equivalent for Cyrus).

By the early 1900's, more works came out, including The Phantom of
the Poles (William Reed, 1906), which stated that the noone has found
the Poles because they dont exist, and "Journey to the Earth's
Interior" (Marshall B. Gardner, 1913), which rejected the Concentric
Spheres idea (a Kabballistic concept) but said that there was an
inner sun of about 600 miles in diameter and that the poles
had "holes" about a thousand miles in diameter.

Perhaps the most intriguing accounts are that of Admiral Byrd, who
flew to the North and South Poles in 1926 and 1929. In 1964, a
Rosecrucianist, Raymond W. Maynard, published "The Hollow Earth - The
Greatest Geographical Discovery in History Made by Admiral Richard E.
Byrd in the Mysterious Land Beyond the Poles - The True Origin of the
Flying Saucers."

Admiral Byrd kept extensive diaries of his exploits.

http://www.crystalinks.com/hollowearth.html

In his diary, he tells of entering the hollow interior of the earth,
along with others and traveling 17 miles over mountains, lakes,
rivers, green vegetation, and animal life. He tells of seeing
tremendous animals --resembling the mammoths of antiquity moving --
through the brush. He eventually found cities and a thriving
civilization. The external temperature was 74 degress F.

His airplane was greeted by flying machines of a type he had never
seen before. They escorted him to a safe landing area where he was
graciously greeted by emissaries from Agartha. After resting, he and
his crew, were taken to meet the king and queen of Agartha. They told
him that he had been allowed to enter Agartha because of his high
moral and ethical character. They went on to say that they worried
about the safety of planet due to he bombs and other testing done
above the surface by goverments. After the visit Byrd and his crew
were guided back to the surface of the planet.

In January of 1956 Admiral Byrd led an expedition to the South Pole.
On that expedition he and his crew penetrated down 2,300 miles into
the center of the earth. Admiral Byrd stated that the North and South
Poles are only two of many openings into the center of the Earth. He
wrote about seeing a sun below the Earth.

- The Hollow Earth - Dr. Raymond Bernard tells stories about people
who have entered the inner earth and what has happened to them. It
mentions a photograph published in 1960 in the Globe and Mail in
Toronto, Canada which shows a beautiful valley with lush hills. An
aviator claimed that he had taken the picture while flying into the
North Pole.

By the 1960's, Shambala would simply be immortalised in a song by a
band called "Three Dog Night",

THREE DOG NIGHT lyrics - "Shambala"
(D.Moore)

Wash away my troubles, wash away my pain
With the rain in Shambala
Wash away my sorrow, wash away my shame
With the rain in Shambala

[Chorus:]
Ah, ooh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Everyone is helpful, everyone is kind
On the road to Shambala
Everyone is lucky, everyone is so kind
On the road to Shambala

[Chorus]

How does your light shine, in the halls of Shambala

I can tell my sister by the flowers in her eyes
On the road to Shambala
I can tell my brother by the flowers in her eyes
On the road to Shambala

[Chorus]

How does your light shine, in the halls of Shambala

Admiral Byrds depiction of Shambhala would be fused to the song
of "Shambala", but there is, as always, hidden aspects to every story:

The United States Government has now restricted flights over these
areas in question, hence the questions, "How does the Light Shine in
the Halls of Shambala" becomes mythological in proportions for lack
of ability to ascertain.

So what of this "shining light" in the Halls of Shambhala?

to be continued -
 
 
raelianautopsy
00:12 / 04.05.04
Um...,

Right on!
 
 
The Fetch
01:46 / 04.05.04
The hold of Shambhala on the world's Elite should not be underestimated. That it held a vital role in Nazi idiologies we know clearly from the historical record.

In 1935, Reichsfuhrer Himmler founded the "Ancestral Heritage", a movement dedicated to the idea of finding the "true ancestral roots" of the Aryan race. Contemporary historians of this concept seem unawares as the Qaballistic (Kabballistic) undercurrents that this movement was fused to: contrary to what might be believed, the creation of this foundation consisted of both Jewish and German scholars, not a few of whom were engaged in the Occult.

The Ancestral Heritage movement consisted of two main ideas: one, that of a German purity that consisted of "human races most vital force", an allusion to Agharta "vril", and two, the idea that Sanskrit was the basis of all most modern languages, and underlying Masonic (Isisian) held belief. Indeed, in the Ancient Cipher, released in in 1928, "sanskrit" is called a "corruption" of the words "saint script", or "script of the saints". That English would have to existed at such a time to have called it such a name is simply not addressed.

In 1938-1939, the SS sent a team headed by ornithologist Ernst Shafer to Tibet. Ernst is known to have a "fascination" with "smearing blood" of his kills on his body: the ritualistic nature of such seems to be ignored by most who delve into this aspect of the story. Included in this mission was a geographer who specialised in "geomagnetism", and in general the mission is reputed to have been a near "quackish" adventure.

But the reasons why a Synarchist Elite as the Nazi's would go to or be interested in Tibet remains for the most part still hidden. Tibet, and Afghanistan, play a vital role in Synarchist Philosophy, and that Synarchists have sent their "NATO and American troops" to Afghanistan hints at more than just poppy fields and wayward terrorists: Afghanistan is central to Synarchian worldviews.

Shambhala and the Holy Grail

The role of Sanskrit to the Craft of the Letters and to the "search of the Grail" is of some dispute to they outside of this knowledge. But in Shambhala we find a merging, or an intersection, or a "dreidle dynamic" as it were, as to what motivates the currentl global elite.

In Sanskrit, Shambhala means "place of peace, of tranquility", and its mythical or magical powers have been alluded to in such films as 'Kundun’, ‘Little Buddha’ and ‘Seven Years in Tibet’. The author of The Celestine Prophecy has written another best seller called called "The Secret of Shambhala: In Search of the Eleventh Insight", playing on both the legend and the harmonic or numeric of the 11.

In "New Dawn Magazine", author Jason Jeffrey writes in his article entitled "Mystery of Shambhala":

"The Sanskrit and Tibetan Shambhala has also been identified by no less an authority than Alexandra David-Neel, who spent years in Tibet, with Balkh – in the far north of Afghanistan – the ancient settlement known as "the mother of cities". Present day folklore in Afghanistan asserts that after the Muslim conquest, Balkh was known as the "Elevated Candle" ("Sham-i-Bala"), a Persianisation of the Sanskrit Shambhala."

Afghanistan plays, therefore, a central role in the theology of the Synarchists, but this Theology should be seen in inverse. The role of Synarchy is destruction and a perpetual service to Mars, yet in Shambhala is said to be found a "community where perfect and semi-perfect beings live and are guiding the evolution of humanity. Shambhala is considered to be the source of the Kalachakra, which is the highest and most esoteric branch of Tibetan mysticism."

Synarchist goals, therefore, would more likely be seen as a "blocking force" relative to this form of philosophy, hence denying to the best of their ability this "guidance" as referenced. Edwin Bernbaum writes in , The Way to Shambhala: A Search for the Mythical Kingdom Beyond the Himalayas, 2001, p.25.

"As the traveller draws near the kingdom, their directions become increasingly mystical and difficult to correlate with the physical world. At least one lama has written that the vagueness of these books is deliberate and intended to keep Shambhala concealed from the barbarians who will take over the world."

Says Jeffrey Jason writes:

"The lama’s reference to the barbarians “who will take over the world” is directly connected to the prophecy of Shambhala. This prophecy tells of the gradual deterioration of mankind as the ideology of materialism spreads over the earth. When the “barbarians” who follow this ideology are united under an evil king and think there is nothing left to conquer, the mists will lift to reveal the snowy mountains of Shambhala. The barbarians will attack Shambhala with a huge army equipped with terrible weapons. Then the 32nd king of Shambhala, Rudra Cakrin, will lead a mighty host against the invaders. In a last great battle, the evil king and his followers will be destroyed."

The Materialism can be seen in the "mythical" "Protocols of Zion", and the number "32" can be seen invoked as "The King of Shambhala". The War of Civilisations is more of a mythical proportion than the laity of the world is allowed to see.

more to come
 
 
h3r
03:49 / 04.05.04
thnx fetch. I have researched similar material and its nice to see u link it all together into such a cohesive piece. keep it coming.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
05:09 / 04.05.04
Yep. It's great to have somebody around to stick scarequotes around "fake" when talking about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Lordy lou.

So, the Nazis were the Jews all along? And they would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those pesky kids and that darn dog...
 
 
Ev
05:19 / 04.05.04
Oh please.

I don't mind when Fetch presents his free association rants about kabalah (or however he's spelling it this week) as Deep and Meaningful Truths, but this is simply pathetic and contemptible.

Fetch, if you want to tie Three Dog Night lyrics together with the Hollow Earth, modern conspiracy theory, and quirky antisemitism, you should at least steer clear of such demonstrably false statements as "Nietzche [sic], of course, was a Jew." It simply shows that you're posting out of your ass.
 
 
Rex Feral
11:26 / 04.05.04
Nietzche, of course, was a Jew and was one of if not the most influential "thinkers" on what would later become Nazism and Nazi racial idiologies. The racial hatred of Jews for non-Jews as clearly espoused in Noahidist Occult works provides ample fodder for the growth of hyper-racist agendas, and in Nietzche was found a Jewish "thinker par excellence", a macabre blend of hyper racism and
hatred fused to calculated logic.


Factual correction, Fetch - Nietchze came from a Prussian Lutheran family ie. he was not a Jew. And it's widely acknowledged that his sister was responsible for the distortion of his work which led to the alleged Nazi sympathies. Again, the accusation that he was a forerunner of Nazisim is demonstratable false if you actually bother to read him. I can't pretend I have anything appraoching a full understanding of his work (funny, I was thinking of re-reading him last night) but I can tell you there's a lot more to him than "a macabre blend of hyper racism and hatred fused to calculated logic". What on earth have you been reading?
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
14:23 / 04.05.04
All we need now is to bring in shape-shifting Lizard-men, holocaust denial and a plea to wear tin-foil around our heads to stop the evil JewLizardCapitalistWorldOrder(tm) from stealing our thoughts and we've got a perfect example of what happens when too much scholarly activity combines with a large crystal meth intake. (Or maybe that's the stuff that has been 'edited for this community')
This is another disturbing example of the current growing anti-semitic trend in both occultism and radical politics, the creation of a Jewish bogeyman to explain away all the problems in the world. Jewish people are still an invisible minority in most parts of the western world so unlike black and asian people, who we have to deal with daily, it's nice and easy to posit these people (who, like Icke's shape-shifting Lizard people, could be ANYWHERE (fake shudder) ) as the source of the world's problems. Ironically, years of research into obscure occult tomes tying together every strand into a cosy metanarrative is a thousand times easier than one second spent living in the world as it is.
 
 
The Prince of All Lies
16:33 / 04.05.04
What a bunch of crap-...that "Admiral Byrd" was allowed to see the "King and Queen of Agharta" because of his moral and ethical superiority...sounds like he smoked some bad opium in his days...
I won't even comment on the other stupid things Fetch wrote..it's just too X-Files for me...and he should read some stuff about psychology (Paul Watzlawick especially), to see why people cling to ridiculous half-assed conspiracy theories instead of looking at all the crap in the world and the real conspiracies...

PS: Lizard men can kiss my shiny cynical butt.
 
 
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20:06 / 04.05.04
Ha, c'mon! Maybe one two or even a few things might not be right in those posts but surely there's some good stuff in there?

Or is it a case of shoot down the conspiracy theorist? I'd bet there's quite a lot of truth in there.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
20:27 / 04.05.04
Such as?
 
 
charrellz
20:47 / 04.05.04
Well...there's alot of words, and many of them are spelled right. Correct spelling is kinda like truth...and big words help too!

Fetch: I was wondering if you would be so kind as to provide a couple things, especially the direction this thread should go in. Are you saying 'look this is great' or 'what the hell is wrong with these guys' or 'how can I incorporate these ideas into my favorite cakes'?
Out of curiousity, is this a bunch of barely paraphrased summaries of related ideas or your own 'complete/coherent' thoughts along with cited references for back up?
In summation: wha...?
(just to clarify, I'm not attacking or defending...yet! [cue overdramatic music])
 
 
LVX23
21:55 / 04.05.04
Phex wrote:
This is another disturbing example of the current growing anti-semitic trend in both occultism and radical politics, the creation of a Jewish bogeyman to explain away all the problems in the world

Here here! I fully agree and this was my gut reaction to Fetch's odd posts.

And Fetch, for once in your life please give us some references! Otherwise, you're just another David Icke.

I would also suggest that your suffering from literalism in your suggestion that Shambhalla is an actual place.
 
 
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22:19 / 04.05.04
Such as?

Hi there Phex, i'm not into anything anti-semetic or shape shifters just having to be all of the lizard type, and out to get humanity (there must be myriad types of shapeshifters if they do exist and they must have opposite counterparts, maybe connecting back to the history of Watchers, Arabian Djinn, Elves, Spirits, Demons, Angels etc) but there's a few things.

El worship and the history of it, the Nazi expedition to Tibet has actual evidence to support it too if i'm right and also the idea of systems of control at the moment that seems to be more apparent all the time. I'm gonna have to look into what Synarchy is because i don't think i've heard of it before but this statement connected to ideas of control in a different way than most occult/conspiracy theory orientated people believe seems to be backed up right through the last couple of thousand years of history :

This very fact is by design: if the masses are
actually conciously aware of the means by which they are being
subjugated to money, and the religious formulas being put in play,
then the masses would be more easily prepared to defeat the system.


It gonna be wierd seeing how any of this New World Order stuff works out too with a lot of people wanting to get back to a way of life that doesn't have one, big all ruling power deciding everything for everyone.

I guess that ideas/theories like this will only get brought up more and more as time goes on, and then maybe we'll see evidence, or a real apparent lack of it that will decide who's right or wrong, especially as more and more writers, researchers and journalists decide to dig deeper into this stuff for themselves.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
23:32 / 04.05.04
Anyone wanting to take this stuff seriously can find more ammo at Fascist Occultism and its close relationship to Buddhist Tantrism chilling/looney (delete as applicable) info on the links between Shambhala, the SS, Hegel, Buddhism, the Dalai Lama, and the rise of fascism, etc.
It's them Buddhists you've got to watch out for, apparently.
 
 
h3r
23:39 / 04.05.04
I cant believe how uptight and negative you people are these days. must be mercury in retrograde.....where's all the the coming from?
 
 
h3r
23:40 / 04.05.04
i meant "wheres all the hate coming from?"
 
 
Ev
00:23 / 05.05.04
"Where's all the hate coming from?"

I dunno. It must be "[t]he racial hatred of Jews for non-Jews as clearly espoused in Noahidist Occult works." Whatever that's supposed to mean.

I know that Barbelith is a tolerant place. And in the past I've tended to cut Fetch a lot of slack even though I personally find his thoughts on kaballah jejune, his research sloppy and sophomoric, his spelling atrocious, and his desire to take kaballah back from the "Jewish rabbis" a bit suspect. I've considered him a harmless loon along the lines of Adolf Wolfi or Henry Darger, playing games with "English kaballah" instead of a paper trumpet or paintings of naked little girls with penises.

But the mention of "Jewish Synarchism" [sic], "The Protocols of Zion" [sic], and "Hyper Jehovians" [sic] in his latest screed simply piss me off.

Fetch chose to offer his thoughts to "this community." I don't think it's "uptight" or "negative" to challenge the claims he seems to have made for our instruction and edification. And I don't think there's anything wrong in pointing out that an antisemitic, false, poorly written, and essentially incoherent rant is in fact an antisemitic, false, poorly written, and essentially incoherent rant.

Go figure. Must be Mercury in retrograde.
 
 
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00:25 / 05.05.04
Them!!!

Ha, na i think it's just because there's so many confusing stories out there at the moment. The best thing is not to believe any of it, and approach it as fiction, then if some crazy truth does come out you've been kind of prepared instead of totally in the dark. Don't you find this type of stuff interesting?

It's like the craziest fiction story out there pretending to be reality, covering some mad explanation up.

I checked Synarchy and got this :

The menace now confronting humanity from Washington's Cheney-Rumsfeld regime is a usurpation of power by financier terror leaders; the final, mad phase of a two-centuries-long project—to counteract the stunning success of the American Revolution and America's intervention in world affairs. This enemy totalitarian project came to be self-named, about a century ago, as "Synarchism."

To defeat it requires historical understanding, which can never consist merely of stupid lists of crimes and plots, however complex. It must instead be the story of the central fight for man's mind—and for the strategic direction of nations—over the question: Does the Creator give man Reason to shape scientific and social progress, or must "authority" manage men, as indistinguishable from beasts?

This is the persistent, nagging problem in intelligence analysis generally: Here are perpetrators, associated for such and such a purpose; here are those we judge good, in their earnest projects; yes, but how have those, with the power to shape large events, intervened to fuel or stall these actors, in line with the global, paradigmatic ideas guiding the power of those strategy-shapers?

Synarchy

I don't know. Maybe i just read Cosmic Trigger and believed it all or something, being young and naieve and it's warped my head.

I find it really funny though how people like David Icke can wind so many people up and get them freaking out and angry to such a level, he must be laughing his fucking head off at times.

Maybe another thing that's going on at the moment is the amount of texts and teachings that are getting popular explaining and putting forward the idea of reality being illusory, or maya. This could be making a lot more people accept more open minded ideas including all types of stuff out of the realms of myth, folklore and fantasy, promoting the idea that these worlds might have a lot more reality in them than was first supposed.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
01:30 / 05.05.04
Ahem. Anti-semitism. Anti-semite. Any time you kids want to look those up along with synarchy, please feel free. Personally, I am whack-out confused by why the secret rabbis should choose an Ancient Greek term when they have perfectly serviceable Hebrew, but clearly I am one of the haters. Because, you know, I object to anti-semitism rather than the real enemy, which is of course the Jews.

Gnostic Christ on a bike...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
02:39 / 05.05.04
But where do the nonces fit in?
 
 
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06:39 / 05.05.04
Hey i searched for Synarchy on google again and found this site that's got a lecture by the same people that wrote the book 'The Stargate Conspiracy', it ties up a load of theories and is like a skeptical view on a load of stuff that's being talked about recently :

Pharo.com
 
 
trouser the trouserian
12:32 / 05.05.04
Reading the synarchy article that Maitreya helpfully posted, I see that the author links himself with Lyndon LaRouche. There's an interview with LaRouche here which contains nuggets such as LaRouche's assertions that Jung was a satanic pro-Nazi, and that Aldous Huxley & Gregory Bateson were behind the founding of the Grateful Dead (British intelligence & MK Ultra). LaRouche is currently serving a 15-year prison sentence for conspiracy, mail fraud and tax evasion.
 
 
SteppersFan
14:10 / 05.05.04
For goodness sake. What a load of anti-semitic cobblers. I thought Barbelith was smarter than this (and I'm glad to see some Barbelites are smart enough to see through this).

Of course, the real impact of this sort of tosh is to devalue any serious political analysis of the patently obvious links between US conservatives and the client state of Israel. But with racist, dumb-as-fuck bullshit like this floating around, cheer-leaders for the religious right can just shout "anti-semitic" and get away without engaging with the real political issues of Palestinian statehood and US hegemony.

But fans of this garbage won't be able to think their way past this particular trap. Assholes.
 
 
Rex Feral
14:57 / 05.05.04
I haven't actually read Fetch's piece closely enough to figure out what he's actually trying to say, so I'm unsure how anti-semetic it is - the "Nietchze was a jew" rendered it badly researched, un-credible fantasy cobblers to me. At least Philip Pullman is entertaining.

But a big YAY to 2stpefan - like you my major problem with conspiracies of this ilk is that they muddy the waters of serious debate, and serious debate is a precursor to any kind of political action. I mean really, if you want to see the "New World Order" in action, there's no need for this Blavatskian nonsense, just pick up a decent newspaper every day and read what WE are doing in Iraq. It's not hidden, it's not secret, it's all happening in plain bloody sight! (Obvious sources to reel out would be Chomsky, Naomi Klein, George Monbiot, Greg Palast, znet et al if you're in need of a few pointers). When faced with the kind of injustices we have in this world, why in the name of jumpin' Jehovah, retreat into this kind of ridiculous fantasy?

My only explanation is that these kind of conspiracies provide a "grand unifying theory" for those who need to believe that there is one unifying explantion, a grand narrative for things being the way they are. The TRUTH, simple and easy to digest, this is your enemy, get rid of him - be he Jewish, "Nohadist", Catholic, Mason, whatever, and it'll all be okay. However, I don't think the world works like that - it's complex, not simple, as a bit of research and digging will show. BUT this complexity doesn't mean you can never act or acheive anything - think about the million people marching against the war in November. This would never have taken place if the organisers had been on the net dreaming up fantasies about the lizardmen. Stuff like this is a blind alley.
 
 
Mordant Carnival
15:13 / 05.05.04
Jeez, people, don't you know by now that anti-semitism is cool and cutting edge? I despair of you guys sometimes.

I too have been minded to cut the Fetch some slack in the past, even though I personally find lengthly arithmetical analyses of other people's navels rather dull. This last splurge, though, has left a very nasty taste in my mouth.
 
 
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15:41 / 05.05.04
Just to clear up any racism comments that could be directed against me i posted the stuff about Synarchy to help anyone wanting to read something about it, not because i'm an anti-semite or whatever. I've only just found out what anti-semite means.


- Essentially, Synarchy advocates government by secret society – or, in its own terms, by an elite of enlightened initiates who rule from behind the scenes. It therefore doesn’t matter which political party holds power in a state – or even what political system that state has. Synarchists would step in and take control of the key state institutions. St-Yyes identified three key pillars of society that, once under the control of his elite, would allow them to rule without the population even being aware of their existence. These were the political and social institutions, the economic institutions and the religious institutions. -



It mentions that it was designed to be the opposite of Anarchy or something. I don't believe it, but i posted it because of it's connection to the Fetch's posts.
 
 
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15:50 / 05.05.04
I should've just fuckin left it, The Fetch posted a link to Synarchy in his first post, i've only just found it. So if all of this stuff is wrong then, why has it become so popular amongst so many conspiracy freaks? Something else to blame everything on whilst retreating into a crazy fantasy world? Or is there something in particular that they could be reading the wrong way?

Maybe people who have negative contact with spirits/entities/whatever's out there because they aren't ready for it take it the wrong way build up a big bad world to explain it all?

Remember : i'm not an anti-fuckin-semite!

Makes me sick now i've found out what it is.
 
 
Mordant Carnival
16:04 / 05.05.04
I notice that the "Hollow Earth" link in one of the original posts is housed at Crystalinks. Such an informed source!

I'm a big fan of the Crystalinks site; I particularly love the photographs of a camera strap called Zoroaster.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
16:17 / 05.05.04
Remember : i'm not an anti-fuckin-semite!
Too late to back out now, Maitreya, Mossad's crack killer frogmen are probably already swimming up the Humber in your direction.
 
 
Tom Coates
16:41 / 05.05.04
What a funny thread! What I think has been made clear by everyone is that it's all very well having conspiracy theories - some may be fun and you never know whether or not someone really has put mind-control brie in the water-supply - but if you're going to accuse a race, religion or minority group for all the ills of the world, you'd really better (1) well, not, cos it's dumb and (2) have a hell of a lot of evidence rather than unsubstantiated warbling, and then not do it anyway because, well, it's dumb. Barbelith doesn't like dumb people!
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:43 / 05.05.04
Actually, oddly enough, Mossad observe a very strict division, in which they assassinate enemies of Israel but not anti-Semites generally. There is nothing more pathetic than the sight of a Guardian reader under the guns of trained assassins betraying his ideals and claiming that he is not opposed to the current policies of Israel, which he believes to be destabilising to the Midddle East situation and counterproductive to the interests of the West and, ultimately, to the people of Israel themselves - he's just an anti-Semite.
 
 
Rex Feral
16:49 / 05.05.04
So if all of this stuff is wrong then, why has it become so popular amongst so many conspiracy freaks? Something else to blame everything on whilst retreating into a crazy fantasy world?

I'd say that's it a nutshell, really. That's the best explanation I can come up with. I always end up posting a link to this essay whenever "conspiracy" rears it's head. It's a doozy.
 
 
LVX23
18:16 / 05.05.04
2stepfan wrote:
Of course, the real impact of this sort of tosh is to devalue any serious political analysis of the patently obvious links between US conservatives and the client state of Israel.

Note also that the very issue of Israeli occupation has become a hugely divisive issue on the Left. The anti-war movement was massive before the war started but there was constant in-fighting between the thinking left and the pro-Palestine ANSWER crowd (and I'm not totally dismissing the pro-Palestine movement. But as a whole, they're just as guilty of atrocities as Israel is). I personally suspect (as has been done so many times in the past) that the government inserts agent provocateurs to rile up this dissent between factions of the Left. But I guess I'm moving out of Magick and into Politics here...

Suffice it to say that in my book Fetch has blown the last tiny shred of credibility he had. Or at least he has entirely failed to defend and explain himself in any coherent manner.
 
 
SteppersFan
18:50 / 05.05.04
> and I'm not totally dismissing the pro-Palestine
> movement. But as a whole, they're just as guilty of
> atrocities as Israel is

Errr Mate...

Israel is a nuclear-armed, high tech STATE.

The Palestinians are in shanty towns.

You do the math and then tell me Palestinians are "AS GUILTY" as Israel.

:-)
 
  

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