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Knight's Move

18:08 / 15.10.07

Murphy:
This should answer the Fury question

Nick Fury's history

Deculture Aquatripper
(prev. Dcdnt Dytrppr n Lv)

09:29 / 20.12.07

When did the original Spider-Woman meet up with Shadowoman, and was it any good?

Google is not my friend on this one and only tells me that they have met.

Which is understandable, since they generally wear the same costume and - a few misguided hairstyles along the way, wilfully ignored - have the best hair in the in Marvel U.

Mario

18:43 / 20.12.07

Sensational Spider-Man Annual '96, in a backup story. I don't know how good it was, but the page that mentions it (on marvunapp) suggests it was mainly a plot device to repower Jessica Drew.

The page also says that it's never been answered why they have such similar looks, but theorizes that Magnus (an old Spider-Woman cast member) was involved.

a_black_medallion_for_sulking
(prev. cheeses)

14:34 / 31.01.08

Been reading my Messiah Complex (Days of Future Past for the Wha? generation The Times is calling it) and I thought about something remarkably odd. Yes, I thought about something odd that didn’t make sense at all while reading Messiah Complex.

Kitty Pryde, who may or may not have featured in said "Epic Comic Event", can turn intangible, correct? This means she has the magical ability to make her body's molecules avoid the molecules of brick walls and Sherman tanks. While in this state of "phase" one would assume that all manner of real world objects could quite easily pass right through her face and body. Wouldn't that also include light? And if that were the case, wouldn't one find it particularly difficult to see this particular mutant adventurer then?

Question: would Kitty Pryde, if pushed hard enough by a skilled Xavier School teacher like, say…Emma Frost be able to one day exhibit the ability of invisibility?

Wristwatch Nuke

14:53 / 31.01.08

In theory yes. But as her ability let her pass through things by moving her molecules around those of whtever she's passing through, she would need to become much further out of phase than she's currently been shown as being capable of going.

I seem to recall that the longer and more out phase she went the harder it was for her to return to solid.

She does have the bad-ass ninja skills that Logan's taught her though.

Wristwatch Nuke

15:43 / 31.01.08

Speaking of Shadowcat; didn't she have to hold her breath back in the day when phasing? I noticed in Astonishing X-men she didn't seem to need to do that anymore.

Youexplainnow!

The Freewheeling Convo

15:46 / 31.01.08

I X-Plain!

It's a secondary mutation. Or she never needed to in the first place and got over that psychological limitation. Or, or, or...

Anyway, wasn't it written into her powers, at some point, that being phased was actually Kitty's natural state and being solid was something she had to actually focus on being? You'd reckon 'no breathing' would be part of a permanently-phased package deal.

I'm so alone.

Wristwatch Nuke

16:44 / 31.01.08

Anyway, wasn't it written into her powers, at some point, that being phased was actually Kitty's natural state and being solid was something she had to actually focus on being?

You may be thinking of Amelia Voght there. Her natural state is her mist-form and needs to constantly concentrate to remain in human-form.

You are alone, I am alone-er-er.

Lunch with Lenny
(prev. Secret Bat-Fairies)

18:09 / 31.01.08

Actually, due to injuries suffered from around about the "Adversary / Death of the X-Men" days, Kitty was permanently phased -- this was part of the impetus behind the original Fantastic Four versus the X-Men miniseries, and the injury was still prevalent at the beginning of her tenure with Excalibur. It was during her Excalibur time that she gradually regained control over her powers and could remain solid again without effort.

God, somebody hand me a nerd prize. But I used to love Excalibur, and angst-ridden perma-ghost Kitty is the one I grew up with.

The Freewheeling Convo

20:24 / 31.01.08

Grew up with.

Alone.

Mr Tricks

20:53 / 31.01.08

it was during that FF v X-men that she had gone so far out of phase that she did become translucent and lost the ability to speak (couldn't move the air around her to make sound) presumable oxygen in the area of her lungs would go into phase the same way her clothing did.

a_black_medallion_for_sulking
(prev. cheeses)

07:20 / 04.02.08

Thanks everyone.

Blake Head

13:35 / 12.04.08

Wikipedia says that Doctor Doom is next in line as Sorceror Supreme if Doctor Strange buys the farm. I remember something about Doom going to Hell and getting a bunch of crazy magic powers, but really? Is he considered that powerful (and if so how come?) or is he just the next best mystical powers guy with a doctorate? What gives?

Amaze me with your mystical Marvel knowledge!

A Haus of Minions
(prev. Jenna Elfman's Hollywood Haus)

13:40 / 12.04.08

I think that Doctor Doom was actually expelled from university for the whole explosive soul-contactor thing, so in fact his doctorate is presumably an honorary one from a Latverian University. Or possibly one which he became eligible for as a result of his life experience...

Mario

14:47 / 12.04.08

Doom's (unoffcial) status as next-in-line is due to the fact that he and Strange were the only ones left standing in the Tournament of the Vishanti (as seen in TRIUMPH & TORMENT, an excellent Roger Stern story with early Mignola art). While Stephen actually won the contest, and the title of Sorceror Supreme, Doom cheated his way to second place.

So, from a certain perspective, he's the #1 contender. But it's not an automatic thing... Strange has been taken out a few times since then (most notably by Salome) but Doom was never granted the title.

Our Lady in Her Haus
(prev. Our Lady Drinks Your Milkshake)

22:07 / 13.04.08

How does Iron Man control his armour these days? Reading Secret Invasion he seems to be in the suit, but there's a couple of weird pictures which makes him look like he's operating the armour remotely.

Boboss

23:24 / 13.04.08

He uses a nanotech interface (nanites course through his blood) which probably accounts for the full immersion VR set-up suggested in some recent comics.

Mario

23:36 / 13.04.08

Actually,given that the nanites allow him to control all machinery, including orbital satellites, he COULD run the armor remotely.

Boboss

00:18 / 14.04.08

But he doesn't normally

Mario

01:52 / 14.04.08

True. But that might explain the aforementioned "weird pictures". For example, in a recent annual, he was in Madripoor without the armor, and summoned it from it's parking spot in orbit.

Boboss

19:56 / 14.04.08

I think full immersion VR explains them well enough. It would be a story point if Tony were operating the armour remotely, I would have thought.

Boboss

20:09 / 14.04.08

That's not to say that Tony can't control the suit remotely, of course, just that I think it would be significant if he were, say, remotely piloting the suit in a combat situation

Shiny
(prev. Feverfew)

21:45 / 14.04.08

Just curiosity, but can anyone name characters with powers related to kinetic energy other than:

Bishop
Maverick
Strong Guy
Sebastian Shaw
Speedball
Skids (Technically)
Guv'nor (apparently)...

... And my list runs out there - although I'm sure I've missed some obvious ones. Any more for any more, anyone?

The Freewheeling Convo

22:02 / 14.04.08

Well, depending on your definition, as a telekinetic (do you see!) Jean Grey might qualify, and Cyclop's optic blasts are pretty much a kinetic battering ram.

Lunch with Lenny
(prev. Secret Bat-Fairies)

22:34 / 14.04.08

The Blob sort of absorbs kinetic energy, doesn't he? And Juggernaut qualifies to a certain extent as well.

grant

22:46 / 14.04.08

Gambit?

I wonder if they've ever done anything like that with Bullseye - I don't know that they have, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did.

Mario

00:14 / 15.04.08

The big omission is the villain Maelstrom, a Deviant/Inhuman hybrid who fought the Avengers and Quasar.

Other characters:

Inertia, from the various Squadrons Supreme.
Hauptmann Deutschland/Vormund, a German hero.
Wundarr the Aquarian (pre-transformation)
Hammer & Anvil
The Growing Man.

Most of these absorbed kinetic energy as a way of increasing strength. Interestingly, the three characters who could actually _manipulate_ kinetic energy (Maelstrom, Inertia, and Vormund) were all created or revamped by Mark Gruenwald.

grant

05:10 / 15.04.08

Oh, isn't kinetic energy like the catalyst for Multiple Man? He gets punched and suddenly there's two of him?

Deculture Aquatripper
(prev. Dcdnt Dytrppr n Lv)

05:50 / 15.04.08

Yeah, Multiple Man's def. on the list. And Cable, as a tk guy.

What I never understood was how Nightcrawler's teleporting carried/continued inertia. I mean, inertia's not innate in the mass, right? It's dependent on external matters, the medium through which the object is moving. And he's going through three mediums, from place A to Dark Dimension to place B.

Tomorrow: Why come Cyclops' eyeblasts don't knock him on his rear? Where does Wolverine get the leverage to cut through steel and stuff? How come if a big strong guy hits a big object, it moves but he doesn't? And similar pointless geek questions I can embarrass myself with.

Mario

13:56 / 15.04.08

Well, Kurt's teleportation isn't of the "disassemble and reassemble" sort, but the "create a path from A to B via another dimension" sort, so as long as the density of the air in the Dark Dimension is equal to Earth's, momentum should be conserved.

As for your other two questions, the claws are apparently sharp enough that there isn't much resistance to push through. And the excuse I've heard for Cyke is that his eyes are actually portals to some other dimension, and the momentum is transferred there.

doctorbeck

16:18 / 15.04.08

mario said: portals to some other dimension, and the momentum is transferred there

now come on, thats a bit far fetched. surely all that free floating mutant energy creates a temporarily solid wall for cyke to lean against when he blasts?

osymandus

16:19 / 15.04.08

I thought the explenation for Cykes blasts was the beam actually manafested a few cm/mm in front of his eyes ??

Mario

17:09 / 15.04.08

Quite honestly, nothing about his optic blasts makes sense:

They ricochet sometimes, but punch through steel other times.
They are pure concussive force, unless he needs to burn through something.
They can blast through solid steel, but are stopped by his eyelids.

Might as well say he's channeling the Cyclops Force and move on....

Shiny
(prev. Feverfew)

19:57 / 15.04.08

Thanks all!

Aertho

20:27 / 15.04.08

Cyclops optic blasts are pyschokinetic force. Explains why they behave however the writers want them to, because Cyk wants them to. Explains why concentration controls them, and why "brain damage", "repression", and telepathy also controls them. Explains why his kids are uber-psychics.

Does not explain why Havok "absorbs" them. But whatever. It's comics.

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