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Fly Beezy (War Minister)

23:20 / 08.03.06

I think the gist is that they can't find her, possibly because she may have de-mutated herself as well.

Deculture Decedent

23:32 / 08.03.06

The majority of heroes are not mutants, though, and now they're happy and their lives are pretty much back to normal. Presumably, these alterations only need to be fixed when they impede Spider-Man's new guilt trip, Luke Cage's standing as a beloved figure of admiration and little public snickering, or Hawkeyes amazing ability to be dead. Doctor Strange said this was their really real world, so, evidence to the contrary, the only thing to do, if you're a superhero, is avert your eyes to the ceiling and whistle 'til its over.

Oh, and I notice, having sat down and taken a look at 'New Excalibur', that Pete Wisdom is telling Kitty Pryde that she got away from him, and his loss for letting her, et al... didn't Raab (under editorial insistence) tear out his spine, fuck up his accent, and then have him trot off to pasture, some time before not-new 'Excalibur' folded up into X-men/Uncanny? Not Kitty walking, I mean.
Is this new, then, and Claremont actually doing some reasonable retconning? I dunno, I've still got horrifyingly gleeful images of Kitty astride a smashed Wisdom, holding a sign that says 'Looka me, Mister Claremont!', via Ellis, but I seem to recall one of the first things Claremont did, upon his giganto return to the X-titles, pre-Morrison, was to quietly wipe Pete Wisdom and three or so years, out of his innocent, perky Pryde's life.

Or is little orphan Xavier going to show up in NE with a plot-explication and a new pinafore in two issues' time and it's all Wanda's fault?

07:32 / 09.03.06

after hearing that Jubilee has been turned into a lowly human.

I don't know about the rest of them but Jubes is doing just fine now that's she firmly put her 90's heyday behind her. She recently moved to Florida...into a lovely condo with two of her best friends and her friend's mother.

Here's a pic:

Deculture Decedent

07:39 / 09.03.06

Please tell me that pic was on hand, and not something you went seeking out of vague and distant memory!

And, Milligan is the only one dealing with the M-Day fallout, that I'm finding interesting or, to be honest, decently competent.

Claremont's spent more time considering how Psylocke should thrust her undead rear at the Sentinels, than how untold numbers of poor innocent bastards have suddenly had their lives turned upside down. And all those supervillain's who may now have to work at McDonalds or such.

09:09 / 09.03.06

Please tell me that pic was on hand, and not something you went seeking out of vague and distant memory!

Oh no, I have archives full of Rue McClanahan imagery, aswell as a life-sized cutout of the old girl. Oh Rue, you're the only girl for me.

a_black_medallion_for_sulking

09:43 / 09.03.06

Um, why is Blanche dressed like Jubilee in the first place?

Were it not for the lack of her trademark shades and trademark asian/valley girl sass, I doubt even daddy Logan would be able to tell the difference.

15:32 / 10.03.06

just wanted to give a heads up here for a trade all friends of old marvel might like, got it in the library this week, the defenders / avengers war, from the early 70s, collects 8 issues of a cross over where Loki and Dormannu trick them into fighting each other, what's lovely about it is that the story draws on plots from other titles like the FF and daredevil without being an obvious 'big cross over event', it is fantastic. it's odd though that when sub-mariner fights Cap (there is a great pairing off sequnce fo some individual scraps around the world) they don't seem to have met as old comrades from the Invaders at all, so i wondered, did subbie exist as a character back in the 40s with cap? and was the invaders pretty much retro fitted into continuity later?

it really is total joycore fun though, all the best lines you'd want are there from 'Puny humans' to 'Hairy hordes of hoggoth' and Valkrie is just such a babe, i remembered why i used to like these back when i was 10.

15:49 / 10.03.06

Reading Ultimate Extinction at the moment (and thinking Ellis may have been reading a lot of Alastair Reynolds recently), and a certain character had turned up who I know has quite a big back story in 616 but even Wiki has no articles on her.

So...Misty Knight...who, what, when, where, and how?

Plus, is that groovy cyber-arm pure Ultimate? Or is she similarly endowed in the mainstream Marvel-verse?

16:58 / 10.03.06

it's odd though that when sub-mariner fights Cap (there is a great pairing off sequnce fo some individual scraps around the world) they don't seem to have met as old comrades from the Invaders at all, so i wondered, did subbie exist as a character back in the 40s with cap? and was the invaders pretty much retro fitted into continuity later?
The Invaders was kinda retro fitted, but it was done before this crossover you're talking about. Roy Thomas (who loves everything Golden Age) retroactively created the Invaders in 1969. Human Torch, Cap, and Namor were all around in the 40's but I'm not sure about them meeting each other in any comics of that time.

17:05 / 10.03.06

Misty Knight is Iron Fist's old girlfriend and used to show up in the old Heroes for Hire book with Luke Cage and Iron Fist. She's had the robot arm forever in 616 Marvel, and she used to be a cop. I wanna say she's a private investigator now, but the memory's kinda hazy.

17:16 / 10.03.06

The Torch and Namor met during the Golden Age; they actually trashed New York while fighting each other. I don't know if they ever met Cap, though.

17:33 / 10.03.06

17:34 / 10.03.06

18:26 / 10.03.06

Misty is also co-starring in the current Daughters of the Dragon mini.

19:30 / 10.03.06

In the current Daughters of the Dragon series, she's a bail-bonds-woman.

Still with the Bionic arm and even bigger... er, HAIR.

17:02 / 13.03.06

thanks for the heads up on the torch and namor team up, anyone know a good resource online for the golden age marvel characters and how they were brought back by lee and kirky et al? thanks

17:30 / 13.03.06

Just thought I'd add (or clarify, if it has already been mentioned or if most people already know and take it for granted) that the Human Torch who was in the Invaders is not the same as the Human Torch of the Fantastic Four. The old Human Torch from the Invaders was an android. He has later appeared in Heroes For Hire, and apparently Vision's android body was based on his.

18:16 / 13.03.06

It's a bit more complicated than that, thanks to various retcons over the years, but Avengers Forever covers the latest revisions, I think.

And the Golden Age Torch may or may not be inactive again, since Marvel is letting Brubaker ignore the recent New Invaders series.

08:20 / 15.03.06

Misty Knight is Iron Fist's old girlfriend and used to show up in the old Heroes for Hire book with Luke Cage and Iron Fist.

Misty Knight once saved Storm from a bunch crack-heads.

08:21 / 15.03.06

a bunch of crack-heads or bunch 'o crack-heads.

13:11 / 15.03.06

And the Golden Age Torch may or may not be inactive again, since Marvel is letting Brubaker ignore the recent New Invaders series.

I think we can all agree, that's for the best.

14:21 / 15.03.06

For most of it, I'd agree, although the characterization of the Thin Man was interesting...

"Give the devil my regards, and tell him the Thin Man has decided to stay for a while longer"

15:54 / 15.03.06

'the Thin Man'? Who are you talking about here?

16:46 / 15.03.06

The Thin Man was the first "stretching" superhero, predating Platic Man by about a year. Rather than stretching like rubber, however, he could transform himself into a 2-dimensional form by shunting his mass into another dimension.

Marvel brought him back in the Invaders for some Golden Age-era stories, and then brought him into the modern day as an extremely nasty hunter of Nazi war criminals (they made his two-dimensional form razor-sharp, for one).

In the recent New Invaders series, they continued this characterization, adding the ability to teleport. In essence, he became a cross between Plastic Man, Wolverine, and Nightcrawler.

More here: http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/t/thinman.htm

01:21 / 17.03.06

I just read that Marvel have killed dear old Foggy Nelson.

I haven't read the DD book for a while, but why on earth would they kill off such a long standing character? Is it for anyother reason than to generate a few months worth of stories out of DD tracking down (I assume) his killer(s)?

Any DD readers out there to let me know?

Many thanks.

01:54 / 17.03.06

Angst, mostly. There doesn't seem to be much else Marvel wants to do with him.

05:52 / 24.03.06

What is the current status of one Adam Warlock?

Last I heard (and this was a long time ago), he disbanded the Infinity Watch but did not scatter the gems. Correct me if I'm wrong.

(I ask because of Marvel Annihilation)

12:44 / 24.03.06

The gems were eventually scattered again, as part of the Galactus: The Devourer miniseries. Adam still has his, tho.

The character himself is in limbo... I forget if his last appearance was in Thanos or the Greg Pak Warlock mini

11:17 / 25.03.06

He cropped up in She-Hulk recently as did one of the gems.

Imaginary Mongoose Solutions

15:57 / 25.03.06

They killed off Foggy to drie the final nail into the coffin of Matt Murdock's Sanity. Murdock has been outed as DD, thrown in Prison just a few yards down from the Kingpin, lost his wife, had Foggy killed while he had to listen and has just been moved from protective custody to gen pop thanks to a federal prosecutor who is hoping he dies before he can stand trial.

And with Foggy's death the Murdoch that Frank Miller always hinted at... the man with a "limitless capacity for violence", except without the drunken stupor of "Born Again".

I tell you, while I wish Foggy hadn't died, Brubaker is at the top of his game, here. The scene where the Owl goes to taunt Matt in gen pop is chilling.

18:17 / 25.03.06

Yeah Brubaker's great. Matt said that no one understood. Daredevil was what kept Matt Murdoch in check. He broke both of Owl's arms and legs. Good stuff.

The Falcon
(prev. Bots'wana Beast)

14:50 / 26.03.06

Yeah, I got that yesterday and it was a great, great comic. Punching walls and shit, going in gen-pop 'cos he wants to, kicking absolute fuck out the Owl. Plus, I really like this mysterious other Daredevil (not sure it is Danny Rand.)

I think it's a good move, killing Foggy, if these are the ramifications. I'm not so attached to these things though; always think it a decent swap if you bring a few new characters in/out the woodwork, as has been done here with Dakota North and Becky (Lewis?)

Fly Beezy (War Minister)

22:44 / 26.03.06

However those looking for clues so they can build a case for "Foggy's not really dead" can latch onto Dakota's comment that in the ambulance, they said he was stabilising.

The Falcon
(prev. Bots'wana Beast)

23:50 / 26.03.06

Yeah, there were also interviews with Bru after the cover got released where he was like 'hmmyeah, it sure does seem like Foggy's bought it there, eh readers?' But I'd kind've figured that as some double-bluff to avoid overt spoilage/cover for corporate cock-ups. The proof would be in teh pudding as always, but I think - superficially - it'd be a pretty wack move on Brubaker's part to pull another bait-and-switch on his second Marvel ongoing.

Starting to think stand-in DD is Spidey, even though it's bin done before. Something in the meter and motion.

23:56 / 26.03.06

Who killed (or didn't) foggy?

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