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Tulpa creation experiment starting up

23:43 / 01.04.04

If you are interested in participating with several others in an online tulpa (thought form) creation experiment, please visit us at http://tulpa.tribe.net

This experiment will be leveraging knowledge from Ken Batcheldor's group PK experiments, as well as that gained from the famous "Conjuring Up Philip" PK experiment in Toronto.

We are also seeking technical advice and ideas from those who may have conducted similar experiments online.

Thanks, and we look forward to seeing you at the tribe (Tribe.net membership is free)!

Barbara Richardson
Seattle, WA

00:48 / 02.04.04

Well you've succeeded in conjuring up some

20:26 / 02.04.04

Well, to be fair, this sounds like a little more than just spam. This is a magickal experiment on tulpas and they went to a forum where magick & tulpas are discussed. Seems kind of specific and genuine to me. But on the same token, I can see that it's not from an individual, it seems to be more from people on tribe.net, which is sort of a friendster type thing. Yet it is very specifically focused and about a topic near and dear to us all, and they are asking for contributions from people who have worked with tulpas before.

DRR... DRR... DRR...

22:40 / 02.04.04

The topic is fair enough, I guess, since it's well within the Temple's broad and expansive remit.

However, Siddha, it's usually considered terribly bad netiquette to join a message board purely to plug a website or personal project. I'm assuming that you didn't know this, and that you'll be popping back any time now to apologise for your inadvertant spammage, and to broaden this thread into a general discussion of tulpas/thoughtforms/what-have-you, rather than a specific come-hither for your tribe.net experiment.

Meanwhile, here's a picture of a baby platypus.

22:26 / 02.06.04

It was a plug. There's nothing wrong with that as long as the plug is highly relevant, which it is. Our tribe is also a reference source, since it contains the largest documentation of tulpa-related information online. I apologize if I rubbed somebody's ego the wrong way. Such is life.

00:12 / 03.06.04

Barbelith is a bit funny though, because within the culture of the board it's generally considered a bit crap to post a thread that is just a blatant plug without also making it a starting point for discussion. This approach might seem a bit stringent but it does make for a much higher level of signal to noise, and encourages people who register with barbelith to engage with and contribute to the community. Mostly, it works quite well. So what are your thoughts on tulpas? Make a bit of an effort, have a conversation, etc..

trouser the trouserian

07:18 / 03.06.04

I'd be very interested to know if someone could come up with some tulpa-related literature that doesn't originate with Alexandra David-Neel.

08:46 / 03.06.04

Could somebody please tell me how a Tulpa differs from a Servitor

No offence is intended, I am just a bit confused

thanks

Joe

09:56 / 03.06.04

What AoG is saying above is that the term "Tulpa" orginated with Alexanda David-Neel, one of the first popularisers of "secret Tibetan wisdom" back in the late 19th century, rather than being found in the Tibetan traditon ie. the idea is her creation, or misunderstanding, rather than anything else. The phrase has entered into Western occult discourse from this source.

This is not to say though that this is not a valid or useful magickal experiment. Joe, in this context, I think a Tulpa equals a thought form or spirit created, or fed into, by more than one person - a collective servitor if you will. Siddha, please correct me if I'm wrong. William Burroughs famously said "tulpas can get uppity" meaning that he felt these entities seemed to have a lot of power and self-direction.

10:17 / 03.06.04

I have a book by Herbie Brennan and a Dolores Nowicki (hope that spelling is correct) that deals with Tulpas

I think it is called 'the Magical Use of Thought Forms'

I must be honest, when I read it it was a bit beyond me and even then I was unsure about how Tulpas differed from other Astral entity creations such as Servitors

They did warn that Tulpas can (if evoked often enough) take on an independance of their own and sap the energy of the creator to 'keep alive'.
The book was beyond me at the time of reading and I will have to hunt it out and read it again.

I believe that Servitors can and Egregores can definately achieve a level of independance that could conceivably cause problems if their own wishes are against the original intention or their method of achieving their ends is against the moral or situational constraints of the creator

Interesting stuff....thanks very much

23:27 / 06.06.04

Magicians are lazy bastards at the best of times,especially Chaos magicians leaving frigging servitors all over the place.If you're gonna create one remember to killit when you're done.That reminds me...

01:10 / 07.06.04

But, couldn't this be a new step of evolution? The mass of thoughtforms left by their creators, gaining enough energy and intelligence to finally form a completely independent race?
Besides, don't thoughtforms have rights? I mean, they are sort of living, right? Can we just go around killing them?

03:57 / 07.06.04

For an interesing look in to Tulpa's and Thoughtform creation you could check out "An Unlikely Prophet" by Alvin Schwartz. The author used to write the old daily Superman comic strips, and Superman himself factors heavily in the author's "awakening".

trouser the trouserian

16:50 / 07.06.04

All these stories about tulpas becoming independent from their creators goes back to (Theosophist) Alexandra David-Neel's "Magic & Mystery in Tibet" - well worth a read, IMO, if only as virtually everything else that's been written about Tulpas seems to come from this one book.

Go here for a sample of Ms David-Neel's writing about tulpas.

There is a good deal of confusion around the term tulpa. For a start, it's not a term I think you'll find in any Tibetan dictionary. It's an anglicised spelling of sprul pa, which has a number of meanings in Tibetan, such as 'body', 'prescence', 'projection' or 'incarnation' or "emanational body" - which sounds as if it could refer to a projected thought-form, but is probably more likely to be a reference to the Buddhist Trikaya doctrine wherein the emanation body is the body (usually of a bodhisattva or the historical Buddha) which appears to the human senses.

03:09 / 08.09.04

Sorry I was away for so long. We now have 22 individuals at http://tulpa.tribe.net who are participating in the creation of a Web-based tulpa. Please feel free to join us!

Okay, in response to your questions.

1) A servitor is a tulpa. The names djinni, genie, homonculus, egregore, etc. all essentially mean the same thing.

2) I have perhaps the most comprehensive compilation of Web-based literature on the topic of tulpas at http://tulpa.tribe.net -- please visit and read!

3) I'm not sure what William Burroughs said regarding tulpas. Tulpa creation seems to originate with the ancient Bon religion of Tibet, which goes back about 18,000 years and still exists today. The modern version of Bon is known as Dzogchen Buddhism.

I could go very in-depth here, but the library of materials exists at http://tulpa.tribe.net

There you will also find detailed documentation on groups that have worked to create tulpas of their own (similar to the Canadian "Philip" experiment.) I also include group tulpa-creation techniques from Ken Batcheldor.

tul: [Tib.] patterns
yang-tul: [Tib.] secondary tulpa
nying-tul: [Tibetan] tertiary tulpa

trouser the trouserian

15:01 / 08.09.04

Siddha

A servitor is a tulpa. The names djinni, genie, homonculus, egregore, etc. all essentially mean the same thing.

That's debatable, to say the least. I for one do not share the view that the terms are essentially synonymous.

I have perhaps the most comprehensive compilation of Web-based literature on the topic of tulpas at http://tulpa.tribe.net -- please visit and read!

Where? Read through your site discussions, couldn't see anything to justify it being "the most comprehensive compilation". Is there a members-only area or something?

I could go very in-depth here...

Please do. There's been several lengthy debates here based on posters various experience with thought-forms. A new voice would be most welcome.

Tulpa creation seems to originate with the ancient Bon religion of Tibet, which goes back about 18,000 years and still exists today. The modern version of Bon is known as Dzogchen Buddhism.

You might find this article of interest: The Nameless Religion: An overview of Bon Shamanism

If you have any references for "Tulpas" in Tibetan literature/anthroplogy that don't derive from the writings of Blavatsky, Evans-Wentz or Alexandra David-Neel, I'd be interested in reading them - primary/secondary sources in particular.

Orrin's Prick Up Your Ears

15:08 / 08.09.04

Do you think this guy wants us to visit and read his website?

"Once the tulpa is endowed with enough vitality to be capable of playing the part of a real being, it tends to free itself from its maker's control....Tibetan magicians also relate cases in which the tulpa is sent to fulfill a mission, but does not come back and pursues its peregrinations as a half-conscious, dangerously mischievous puppet. The same thing, it is said, may happen when the maker of the tulpa dies before having dissolved it."
Alexandra David-Neel, "With Mystics and Magicians in Tibet"

Fantastic stuff, particularly in its use of the word 'pergrinations', which I now intend to slip into conversation as often as possible.

Good info on the origins of the word 'tulpa' guys. In combination with her Theosophy, the book now appear rather more 'Don Juan' than I'd thought.

23:20 / 08.09.04

Hola amigos,

I have a few documents containing all information I have collected so far. I have them available for download, for Tribe.net members. Request items by posting a message. I only mention things here because I thought it would be useful if anyone here was interested in joining us.

Keep in mind this project has NOTHING to do with money or personal gain. This is a public project, for public education, for those who are interested in learning. Everything is free. All my work so far has not been paid. No one working on this project will ever be paid for anything.

Some of you seem bent on directing your anger towards spammers and marketers at me. Sorry, I'm not a spammer and I'm not trying to get revenue from any of you. Energy mis-directed, thanks for playing.

23:23 / 08.09.04

Also: I won't be using Barbelith for this project. If you want to discuss further, please continue this discussion at Tribe.net. I will not be creating project documentation in two different places. Nice talking with all of you!