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gridley
17:15 / 28.03.03
Six, I'll pray for him for you.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
17:41 / 28.03.03
Ta.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:59 / 28.03.03
Jack, to have compassion for the weak and the suffering is of little worth unless one also wishes their oppressors to meet with justice.

That argument can also be deployed in favor of the war, though...
 
 
Francine I
20:05 / 28.03.03
Just an opinion, but that whole tar and feathering bit might not be representative of the majority of the anti-war left.

Rumsfeld warns Syria not to provide equipment to Iraq after a shipment of night-vision goggles or some such was seen being carried from Syria to Iraq.
 
 
Jack Fear
20:14 / 28.03.03
That's entirely true, but I got the feeling that the Flyboy did not presume to be speaking only for himself—and his later reference to "justice" seems to confirm this.

But you know me: I have a bug up my ass about subjective opinions being presented as either common sense or self-evident fact, no matter which side of the debate is doing it.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
21:09 / 28.03.03
de-bunking of WMDs (thanks, dubya, if you turn it into an acronym, it sounds complicated) http://www.shopcomfort.com/Reality_Check.htm
 
 
Jack Fear
21:26 / 28.03.03
Well, thank God we've got Sgt. Red to tell us that so-called WMDs aren't all that dangerous. Somebody ought to tell those 15,000 Kurds that they can stop being dead now.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
22:14 / 28.03.03
Shit.
 
 
I scream for ice cream
23:20 / 28.03.03
News as it happens (updated every 15 minutes) with lots of big cheery skull logos and the like.
 
 
Magic Mutley
23:53 / 28.03.03
Tough U.S. Advance Leaves Iraq Bus Full of Corpses

'Many dead' in Baghdad blast

More
 
 
Francine I
03:58 / 29.03.03
Rumsfeld warns Iran against impeding the coalition.
 
 
bjacques
05:04 / 29.03.03
Mr. Six, I hope your bud gets home ok. In fact, I hope all our people get home safely. Ditto for just about everybody on the Iraqi side, except for the thugs in the Republican Guard. But, if in the course of, say, a negotiated cease-fire (and maybe a partitioning), they get to go home too, well I can live with that.

Sometimes I wish the left had a little less compassion. Hunter Thompson, as left as they come, used pretty strong language in describing and speculating on the possible fates of the powerful criminals running the US in the early 1970s. Hyperbole, like wishing to see Perle thrown to Iraqi women, never hurt anyone, and the most anyone would realistically want for Perle (and/or Wolfowitz) is official disgrace, a shit-stain next to his name in the historical record, his (their) children changing their names, and his effective containment, as with Kissinger.

But does Hussein have those WMD's NOW? If so, he is indeed subject to dire consequences which still do not necessarily mean removal. He gassed the Kurds with US (tacit) approval, and was supposed to cough up his WMDs aftewards. Has he gassed anyone since 1991?
 
 
Stoatie. Stoatie? STOATIE.
10:26 / 29.03.03
Here's thinking about yr friend, Six.

Apparently the fact that the Iraqi troops have NBC suits is proof that they're planning to use chemical weapons. Not sure what our excuse for having them is...
 
 
Magic Mutley
11:09 / 29.03.03
Takoma the dolphin is Awol
 
 
Stoatie. Stoatie? STOATIE.
11:50 / 29.03.03
Well, they're always telling us how intelligent dolphins are. Takoma is my new hero.
 
 
Nick's Experimental Wrongness
12:49 / 29.03.03
Don't be naive. Takoma has been sent on some ghastly mission to kill civilian Iraqi fish, and this is just a cover story. Takoma is even now striking fear into the cold-blooded hearts of aquatic members of the ruling Ba'ath party. These 'Flippah Saddam' are sharks who dress up in the skins of murdered warm-blooded marine animals such as the lovable manatee and inflitrate Right-thinking pods of whales. They then spread sedition and dissent (slogans such as "Don't occupy our ancestral fishing grounds") and blow themselves up through explosive decompression.

The navy has trained SEAL teams to detect them.

Arf.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:03 / 29.03.03
even weirder than the dolphin story; I just heard on NPR that US forces based in Bahrain are using trained sea lions that actually engage the enemy, rather than simply do reconaissance.

Apparently the US is worried about saboteurs in SCUBA gear in the harbor at Bahrain. Sea lions, though they don't have the sonar sense of dolphins, do have excellent directional hearing and can see in near-total darkness. These critters are patrolling the harbor for frogmen, and if they find one, they'retrained to slip up behind him unnoticed and attach a snare line to his leg: then the guys on the surface can reel the diver in like a fish.

The dolphins and sea lions, according to the head of the program, seem excited about their work, and eager to help. Perhaps they are patriotic. Perhaps war is, for the animal kingdom too, a force that gives us meaning.

You couldn't make this shit up if you tried. Although Grant Morrison did, didn't he?
 
 
Stoatie. Stoatie? STOATIE.
17:04 / 29.03.03
Jack, please tell me you did make that shit up? Please?
Fucking hell. Within 48 hours this war's gone from Keystone Kops to David Brin.

Personally, I'm worried that Mr Hussein has Sea Monkeys. If he does, we're all fucked.

Aquatic war... Cthulhu rises!
 
 
Baz Auckland
17:20 / 29.03.03
Maominstoat wrote: Aquatic war... Cthulhu rises!

Like we didn't have enough to worry about... jesus.

My first thought about the chemical warfare suits was that the US was telling CNN and whatnot before that they were thinking of using them on Iraq, so you know, they got some suits out... or not.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:46 / 29.03.03
I was somewhat stunned to see, in a CNN report yest'y, that coalition foces do indeed reserve the right to use WMD—if the Iraqis use them first. "We don't have them in theater at the moment but we could get them there pretty quickly," said a spokesman for Britain's defense ministry.

That's code, of course, for "We are not afraid to nuke Baghdad."
 
 
Baz Auckland
03:39 / 30.03.03
Interesting article blaming Rumsfeld for a war longer than a week

Apparently this will be in an article in Monday's New Yorker:

"He thought he knew better. He was the decision-maker at every turn," the article quoted an unidentified senior Pentagon planner as saying. "This is the mess Rummy put himself in because he didn't want a heavy footprint on the ground."

It also said Rumsfeld had overruled advice from war commander Gen. Tommy Franks to delay the invasion until troops denied access through Turkey could be brought in by another route and miscalculated the level of Iraqi resistance.

"They've got no resources. He was so focused on proving his point -- that the Iraqis were going to fall apart," the article, by veteran journalist Seymour Hersh, cited an unnamed former high-level intelligence official as saying

Hersh, however, quoted the former intelligence official as saying the war was now a stalemate.

Much of the supply of Tomahawk cruise missiles has been expended, aircraft carriers were going to run out of precision guided bombs and there were serious maintenance problems with tanks, armored vehicles and other equipment, the article said.

"The only hope is that they can hold out until reinforcements arrive," the former official said.

The article quoted the senior planner as saying Rumsfeld had wanted to "do the war on the cheap" and believed that precision bombing would bring victory
 
 
bjacques
12:05 / 30.03.03
I think Rumsfeld belongs to the Newt Gringrich/Jerry Pournelle school of "before our superweapons they will quake in fear." But people who've been bombed before don't really care whether the bombs are teleported in over their heads or carried in on the back of a donkey. But the V-1 and V-2 weapons, scary as they were, yielded less bang fo the buck (er, Reichsmark) than conventional bombing.

It still looks like the safest place to be is in battle (or "battlespace"). The majority of casualties up to now have been accidents before or after battles, and a lot of that is owed to the statistics of any largeish city. There are the civilian casualties, which are fewer thanks to precision (-ish) bombing but more visible thanks to media saturation.

There's a great story, "Superiority" by Arthur C. Clarke. Too bad Rumsfeld was reading Pournelle instead.

But the Iraqis have other kinds of defenses, some high-tech, some not. Besides the missile-jamming radios the Russians sold them, the Iraqis may also have bought from a Dutch company (via Syria) a type of concrete that is light and has good thermal insulating properties--perfect for dotting the landscape with cheap bunkers.

I really hope there are no dark forces involved. Whenever they are invoked, it's always the little guy who pays!

I still think Hussein has sandworms in reserve.

I think also that Takoma is making for Sweden.
 
 
bjacques
12:08 / 30.03.03
No! Takoma was seduced by Baghdad Beta!
 
 
Baz Auckland
16:11 / 30.03.03
They're not getting Jimmy Carter to run Iraq

Jay Garner, a retired US general who will oversee humanitarian relief and reconstruction in postwar Iraq, is president of an arms company that provides crucial technical support to missile systems vital to the US invasion of the country.

Defence analyst David Armstrong of the Washington-based National Security News Service says: 'It seems inappropriate for somebody to step into a humanitarian and administrative role from a company with a role in providing equipment which, albeit defensive, is vital to the success of the US operation.'

Phil Bloomer of Oxfam said 'The worst case scenario would be to put in charge of the reconstruction someone from the US or UK linked to the arms or oil industries.'


I always thought when they said 'Jimmy Carter should be the proconsul of Iraq after the war', it was just the Republicans wanting him to get killed or something...
 
 
Magic Mutley
18:32 / 30.03.03
Russian News Site

Serial number of Baghdad missile
 
 
bjacques
09:18 / 31.03.03
Now THIS is a quick turnaround. Reporter for The Independent, a UK
paper, filed this story early on 30 March, and a possible answer turns
up in the US where it's still the night before...


It's about a missile strike that the Pentagon said was "probably" an Iraqi anti-missile that went astray or backfired.


Or was it?:

The Agonist:
http://www.agonist.org/cgi-bin/mt/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=894


"western code found on missile 30003-704ASB 7492 Lot # MFR 96214 09

utensil I can't help with the rest, but 96214 is the manufacturers code
for Raytheon. They make the Tomahawk CM, but they make other possible
weapons systems too, such as the Paveway laser guided bomb."




I confirmed it's from Raytheon at least, a waveguide (or a mirror assembly):

(only the cache is left, look a bout 2/3 down the page)


http://www.dscc.dla.mil/downloads/acqforecast/october02/fle5985.txt
(Google, check cache if it disappears)


This is like Gravity's Rainbow!
 
 
Baz Auckland
16:02 / 31.03.03
I lost the story link, but Haliburton's not getting the contract anymore. Whether it was due to not being the best of the 5 companies picked (which all apparently have links to the US admin.), or because of the outcry, they won't say.
 
 
Francine I
19:17 / 31.03.03
Peter Arnett has been fired by MSNBC, NBC, and National Geographic for providing an interview to Iraqi television in which he disclosed personal opinions regarding the war.
 
 
MJ-12
22:25 / 31.03.03
Too bad Rumsfeld was reading Pournelle instead.

Actually he should have been reading more of it. Pournelle has been opposed to invading Iraq for some time.
 
 
Jack Fear
22:29 / 31.03.03
Oh? Because doing so plays into the hands of the Zionist neoconservative lizards who are the shadow masters of the US goivernment and the bane of godfearing rifle-stroking True Patriots like himself, no doubt?
 
 
MJ-12
23:09 / 31.03.03
nnnnnnnot quite...

More along the lines of, this will necessarily push the US into full bore Empire mode, and what is required domestically to sustain that is counter to the survival of a Republic, a Republic being a Good Thing. And, of course, he'll have to pay more taxes to support it.
 
 
Bill Posters
09:55 / 01.04.03
I wondered how long it would be before the words 'illegal combatants' were heard from the White House. Details here.
 
 
Baz Auckland
15:48 / 01.04.03
The plan for the occupation government released?

Under the plan, the government will consist of 23 ministries, each headed by an American. Every ministry will also have four Iraqi advisers appointed by the Americans, the Guardian has learned.

The government will take over Iraq city by city. Areas declared "liberated" by General Tommy Franks will be transferred to the temporary government under the overall control of Jay Garner, the former US general appointed to head a military occupation of Iraq.

In anticipation of the Baghdad regime's fall, members of this interim government have begun arriving in Kuwait.

Decisions on the government's composition appear to be entirely in US hands, particularly those of Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defence. This has annoyed Gen Garner, who is officially in charge but who, according to sources close to the planning of the government has had to accept a number of controversial Iraqis in advisory roles.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
20:49 / 01.04.03
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s822031.htm
April 1, 2003
Israel says Syria smuggling arms for Iraq
Israel has issued a thinly veiled threat to Syria as tensions between the two Middle East neighbours continue to rise.

Israel has accused Syria of smuggling Iraqi missiles to Hezbollah guerillas in Lebanon for use against Israel.

Israel's Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz said Syrian President Bashar al Assad knows about the might and force of Israel in all areas including the military.

He was reacting to an interview the Syrian leader gave to a Lebanese newspaper last week in which he said that as long as Israel exists the threat against it will exist.

Mr Mofaz said President Assad's remarks were all the more serious as they came at a time that it transpired Syria was assisting Iraq.

On Monday a senior Israeli Intelligence official suggested Syria might be hiding chemical and biological agents smuggled out of Iraq.

and here: http://www.nationalpost.com/world/story.html?id={E3E60C7B-C477-4A8D-9167-42927E7F27EC}

Is this old news? Opinions?
 
 
I scream for ice cream
22:24 / 01.04.03
First came dolphins, then monkeys, then sea lions. Now it's the Dark Lords of the Sith.
Where's that little bugger Yoda when you need him?
 
  

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